Huber & Suhner 141 50ohm cables
Mar 4, 2023 9:54:07 GMT
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Post by stellabagpuss on Mar 4, 2023 9:54:07 GMT
So the cat is out of the bag.... My journey on my discovery of Huber & Suhner cables started before Christmas 2022. Basically l had a few delays along the way,and lastly I wanted hear John's opinions first, as a independent view.
So briefly, l discovered that my AfterDark Clock cable is actually made by Huber & Suhner, and it's part of there 141 range,this lead me down the rabbit hole to other options, better spec cable. The AD cable uses Sucoform 141 Red cable,l noticed they also Multiflex 141 Blue with better sheilding.
The cable is a semi rigid cable, and l actually found a statement explaining why its superior over standard coaxial cable.
"The advantage of semi-rigid coaxial cables is that there is less leakage and attenuation, especially at higher frequencies (in the GHz range), than with conventional coaxial cables. The area of use is limited to applications where no mechanical mobility of the coaxial cable is required, such as for cabling in devices or for fixed installations.
Such cables are used in applications up to 10 GHz and higher, depending on the cable used"
Makes sense to me....the downside, the cable is bit of a pig to work with, but with patience, you'll get there.
l noticed that some forum members are in the view that the shorter the length cable run the better. Personally l have not yet observe this,my AD cable is 1.5m long, l think as long as your sensible, stick to 1 metre or 0.5m, or 0.25m in length,you should be close enough to the 10mhz resonance frequency,l would imagine you would have run many metres before you started actually hearing a difference. Also l am not a fan of having components placed so closely together, give them a bit of room, to reduce the chances of near field noise leakage.
The only additional thing l added was a bit of Copper Tape Sheilding, cover with insulation tape,where the cable connects to BNC connector.
Huber & Suhner make a ridiculous amount of cables, and without some experiments, we could be touching the surface.
l can recommend this German site as a great resource for cables,l suggest you use Google Chrome Browser as you can translate to English.
www.koax24.de/produktinfos/koaxialkabel/koaxialkabel-50-ohm/32-39-mm-gr3/sucoform-141.html
Without putting words into John's mouth, l'm sure he will correct me, he found the Sucoform 141 Red an improvement over his current cable, found it a little forward...
l think curiosity took over after a few hours, then he swapped it over the Multiflex 141 Blue which had similar qualities, but offered richer harmonic tones,and less forward,or as John's say Liquid...
It's worth pointing out that both cables are not even burnt in yet!
l hope this helps other members...Now all l need is some power to get my listening room working again.....
Good luck and report back if you're going to give them a go.
Damien
So briefly, l discovered that my AfterDark Clock cable is actually made by Huber & Suhner, and it's part of there 141 range,this lead me down the rabbit hole to other options, better spec cable. The AD cable uses Sucoform 141 Red cable,l noticed they also Multiflex 141 Blue with better sheilding.
The cable is a semi rigid cable, and l actually found a statement explaining why its superior over standard coaxial cable.
"The advantage of semi-rigid coaxial cables is that there is less leakage and attenuation, especially at higher frequencies (in the GHz range), than with conventional coaxial cables. The area of use is limited to applications where no mechanical mobility of the coaxial cable is required, such as for cabling in devices or for fixed installations.
Such cables are used in applications up to 10 GHz and higher, depending on the cable used"
Makes sense to me....the downside, the cable is bit of a pig to work with, but with patience, you'll get there.
l noticed that some forum members are in the view that the shorter the length cable run the better. Personally l have not yet observe this,my AD cable is 1.5m long, l think as long as your sensible, stick to 1 metre or 0.5m, or 0.25m in length,you should be close enough to the 10mhz resonance frequency,l would imagine you would have run many metres before you started actually hearing a difference. Also l am not a fan of having components placed so closely together, give them a bit of room, to reduce the chances of near field noise leakage.
The only additional thing l added was a bit of Copper Tape Sheilding, cover with insulation tape,where the cable connects to BNC connector.
Huber & Suhner make a ridiculous amount of cables, and without some experiments, we could be touching the surface.
l can recommend this German site as a great resource for cables,l suggest you use Google Chrome Browser as you can translate to English.
www.koax24.de/produktinfos/koaxialkabel/koaxialkabel-50-ohm/32-39-mm-gr3/sucoform-141.html
Without putting words into John's mouth, l'm sure he will correct me, he found the Sucoform 141 Red an improvement over his current cable, found it a little forward...
l think curiosity took over after a few hours, then he swapped it over the Multiflex 141 Blue which had similar qualities, but offered richer harmonic tones,and less forward,or as John's say Liquid...
It's worth pointing out that both cables are not even burnt in yet!
l hope this helps other members...Now all l need is some power to get my listening room working again.....
Good luck and report back if you're going to give them a go.
Damien