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Post by MartinT on Jun 28, 2023 20:30:17 GMT
I am also looking at Harmonic Technology Digital Copper III as another possibility I have two of those 50Ω cables for clock duty and they're really excellent cables.
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Post by HD Music & Test on Jun 29, 2023 7:30:30 GMT
Spent a few hours @ the Bodnar electronics empourium earlier today, had a great discussion with the two main men Leo Bodnar & Simon Unsworth very genial and intellegent chaps a few ideas were thrown about.
Lots discussed, what I can say that the GDPSO clock firmware is around 6 weeks away.
Great news...Thanks for the update Tony BTW Who's who in the photos? Morning Damien
Leo B on the left & Simon U on the right
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Post by atoz on Jun 29, 2023 8:45:51 GMT
Hello to you all on this thread . I have just joined the forum and this was the reason . I know TonyC from another forum and he advised me about the LB Clock . I took the chance of buying one as Tony had advised me before on changing the SMPS power supply on my Mutec MC-3 USB to an LPSU . Doing this had a very good uplift in sound quality with background noise and the real feeling to the music quite obvious . As many of you will have realised very few DAC companies have an option for an external Word Clock the Gustard mentioned here being one and some dCS units another . Sadly the early model dCS Purcell / Delius pair I use do not have a clock input though you can make the Delius slave to the Purcell . However for those of you who would like to add an external clock there is another way but it is not that cheap . Good news it does far more than just let you add a clock The Mutec adds real quality to your digital chain (Tony does an upgrade which takes it even further but that is for another day) . I got lucky and bought mine off e-bay at £450 so not exactly cheap but in my view reasonable . I was delighted with what it did for the music in its standard form . LPSU added and things really sounded better . Then the addition of the LB Clock and wow the difference of this tiny unit is just untrue every piece of music sounds more real more lifelike and voices and inflections are easier to hear and understand Double Bass has depth and woodiness in its sound. I originally bought a cheap 50 Ohm BNC cable from Pro Audio and this sounded really nice . I bought it as a stop gap as I had ordered a hand made 50 Ohm cable from Pickerings Limited . But lead time was five weeks so needed a stop gap . New cable arrived five weeks later and plugged it in . Left it there and did not think about it but after a few days noticed the system was a bit off and not as great as it had been . Changed back to the cheap BNC and wow the real music was back . I sent both these cables to Tony when he did my Mutec upgrade and he measured both the Pickerings one measured a little better but it was really close , Tony then said he was sure I would prefer the cheap one and he is right . So fully in agreement that mad as it sounds the clock signal cable does make a difference . I am looking to source some of H&S cable mentioned earlier in this thread so long as i can find someone to make up the cable for me and will give that a try . Once I get sorted will let you know how it sounds in my system . I do get that lots of this is a bit too far for some in particular those who say measurements tell us everything , they are very likely right but we just often do not know what the right measurements are . Your ears are not being deceived an external clock like the LB make a difference and the settings are important . Narrowing the PLL using the sleep button can all change things . I get it because for me it seems obvious that digital files and transmission and manipulation is all down to time and how accurate that time is makes circuits and chips work less hard in not having to deal with wobbles and inaccuracy so the circuit stays is it best working window much more than when it is chasing a fixed time . This may be rubbish but it makes sense to me Digital as whole is all about timing and that not only means accuracy but stability as well and then the ultimate for music the reduction of noise. Welcome Bencat, Before you rush off and purchase some H&S Multiflex 141, l had reports from Clifford, That TFlex 405 is a little bit better,l have some coming to test,so hold off a little if you can. l would be Interested in Clifford's views on what it offers that is better than Multiflex 141. Damien Morning all. I have the tflex 405 in system for a few days now , listening to Paul Simon this morning to answer Damien. I've said before I am not the best of saying what i am hearing but I am loving the tflex 405, it's presenting music to my ears the best I've heard out of my set up so far. One track from Paul's greatest hits "The obvious child" has alot of drums, which I found can over power the vocals.. not bury the vocals but the brain is working harder to hear them, if you know what I mean (on my system) but with the tflex 405 drums are still full force but the vocals are sitting centre and my brain can make out all. As a friend of my once said "you know your system is good when the music seems to have slowed down...not literally but your brain is not working hard trying to make things out. As the tracks go on the music is just sounding lovely, everything is coming out of the speakers is presenting it self better ...again to my ears. I didn't want to review the tflex 405, was waiting for Damien to see if he would purchase it and as he said Tony was the guy who first mentioned it here. I was thinking of swapping the multi 141 back in to check my findings...no need to after listening this morning. Just hope Damien has same thoughts when he gets the tflex, hopefully he will and with his better system, I am hoping better. Next up for myself is to do rodders tweak that Damien did...connecting clock cable direct to the dac board .
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Post by stellabagpuss on Jun 29, 2023 8:57:00 GMT
Thanks Clifford, and a great description of what your hearing. My Tflex is on route, so as soon as l get a chance, l will comment.
It will mean taking my R26 apart again, as l direct feed, with gives big gains by removing the R26 clock lead.
l will be back 🤣
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Post by John on Jun 29, 2023 9:41:27 GMT
Great work Clifford Just great to read people pushing what is possible
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Post by MartinT on Jun 29, 2023 10:09:21 GMT
If you guys have a part no. and supplier for the Tflex 405 link cable from PCB to rear panel BNC, I'd be interested.
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Post by atoz on Jun 29, 2023 10:46:17 GMT
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Post by MartinT on Jun 29, 2023 10:53:52 GMT
Ah, I see, an adapter. I'll research whether a custom cable could be made up to a chassis connector. I'm not trashing my X26 Pro with a flying lead.
It's a rainy day thing so no urgency.
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Post by HD Music & Test on Jun 29, 2023 10:59:41 GMT
Good stuff chaps, keep on stretching those limits, I like to see these things.
T-Flex is just the tip of the ice burg though, but its a good all rounder and is one of those tha just works, hence my recommendation.
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Post by atoz on Jun 29, 2023 11:20:43 GMT
T-Flex is just the tip of the ice burg though... Lettuce know more Tony. Need a better job done on my bnc connectors though Tony,though still sounding prity great with what I did. Though maybe I should wait , maybe Leo has plans for something better than bnc connector...is there better Tony?
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Post by bencat on Jun 29, 2023 12:35:38 GMT
Can I ask were you are getting the TFlex 405 cable from ? A link would be great .
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Post by atoz on Jun 29, 2023 12:46:52 GMT
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Post by stellabagpuss on Jun 29, 2023 13:04:00 GMT
Ah, I see, an adapter. I'll research whether a custom cable could be made up to a chassis connector. I'm not trashing my X26 Pro with a flying lead. It's a rainy day thing so no urgency. This is one of the issues Rodders and myself hit, the R26 uses MXC connector on its board,which is tiny, and not really designed for diameter cable we are using,it's simply to small. Hence the adapter route, the other option, and one l don't want to under take,is changing the on board connector. Hopefully this gives you some understanding of why l still use BNC,as we kinda of forced down the route with MXC on the board.
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Post by bencat on Jun 29, 2023 15:25:32 GMT
Thanks for that I had already found that one myself but when I asked Tony C if this was the right cable he said it was not and it had to come from a company in the US based in Florida but I do not have a link to the site . I have to say I am confused .
So this is the cable that is mentioned here and is the one that has been commented on and will be tested . So will wait for what the view on this is and any corrections Tony may have . I have found a site in the UK that will make up what they say is a TFlex 405 BNC to BNC cable for £76.55 excluding VAT (and I presume shipping ) so this my well be an option if you are not able to make up your own cables . Note you have to go to the custom assembly page and choose your length and connector from a list .
Will wait and see if Tony C thinks this is the same cable as the US source or in his view a different cable like the Mouser version . I did not realise they could use the same designation for different cables like that .
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Post by atoz on Jun 29, 2023 16:17:25 GMT
Thanks for that I had already found that one myself but when I asked Tony C if this was the right cable he said it was not and it had to come from a company in the US based in Florida but I do not have a link to the site . I have to say I am confused .
So this is the cable that is mentioned here and is the one that has been commented on and will be tested . So will wait for what the view on this is and any corrections Tony may have . I have found a site in the UK that will make up what they say is a TFlex 405 BNC to BNC cable for £76.55 excluding VAT (and I presume shipping ) so this my well be an option if you are not able to make up your own cables . Note you have to go to the custom assembly page and choose your length and connector from a list .
Will wait and see if Tony C thinks this is the same cable as the US source or in his view a different cable like the Mouser version . I did not realise they could use the same designation for different cables like that .
First of all sorry to Damien if this is the wrong cable, I myself had bought a metre length bare wire from mcgill...I honestly thought mouser was same wire. Now, I was just off the phone with Liam from mcgills and mentioned mousers tflex 405, he checked mouser website and said it was potentially the same wire...he wasn't sure..need to check. He also said mouser had bought from his company before but need to check up if tflex 405 was purchased from him. Good thing is mcgills is from timewaves and he said if a few of us wanted tflex 405 made up with bnc connectors he would do a better deal for us, not sure how many on here use clocks and would buy?...I for one..to get bnc connector professionally done.
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Post by stellabagpuss on Jun 29, 2023 16:23:34 GMT
We will find out soon enough, as l believe my cable coming from the US.
Funny thing is, the specs and diameters of TFLEX 405 is l believe identical to Multiflex 141 last time l checked.
Should be interesting...
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Post by atoz on Jun 29, 2023 16:28:16 GMT
Damien, my tflex 405 is about half the thickness of the multiflex. Damien, it would still be good to get bnc connectors properly put on? ...if it's a keeper
Probably be a week before you get cable?
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Post by HD Music & Test on Jun 29, 2023 16:49:48 GMT
Here you go chaps
I have over 12 examples of TFlex 405 all with the same specification, the best place I used to purchase them has gone under, however these guys are the real deal as well. lets just say not all thats labelled T flex 405 is actually T flex 405, always use stainless crimps imho
T405 Flex supplier and customer manufacturer
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Post by MartinT on Jun 29, 2023 16:56:36 GMT
Excellent, that's worth getting a quote for.
For me, short length MCX to chassis BNC female to replace the Gustard one and leave my X26 Pro looking stock.
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Post by atoz on Jun 29, 2023 17:04:38 GMT
T405 Flex supplier and customer manufacturer?
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