|
|
Post by MikeMusic on May 10, 2023 9:12:31 GMT
Could there be an aerial effect from the cables
|
|
|
|
Post by John on May 10, 2023 9:45:20 GMT
I am guessing so
|
|
|
|
Post by stellabagpuss on May 10, 2023 10:59:03 GMT
You could add some sheilding to the ground cables,it won't hurt things.
A cheap and easy way is to simply wrap the cables in some aluminium tin foil,before you commit to a permanent fixture.
|
|
|
|
Post by Clive on May 10, 2023 16:26:32 GMT
John, my suggestion is to not get too fussed about the internal streamer. It does usefully improve on my Bridge in some areas but it’s not game-changing. The Bridge at times can be better in some areas too. I think the upsampling of the Bridge helps. Some folks hearing big improvements with the streamer are using HQplayer with various upsampling methods. Roon too..as you are well aware. I’m not reverting to such a complex setup so I’m not upsampling into the streamer.
Also, the streamer can be a bit glitchy, maybe it’s the 1.42 unofficial release, I think 1.4 was better in this respect and finally, music takes a few moments to start playing so I’m rarely sure whether bubble is responding to my touching the screen. The Bridge is much better behaved functionally.
All this said, I do get a very good sound, not the flattened sound you heard…
|
|
|
|
Post by John on May 10, 2023 17:33:25 GMT
Thanks Clive
Just to say I am not really that worried about it
The sound I get is awesome.
I don't want to go down Roon and HQPlayer I been down similar routes in the past e.g bughead and jplay and no plans to go back
As you know the Leo Bodnar clock is a serious upgrade and grounding every spare out to the RTZ2 is also a further upgrade for reducing the noise floor
|
|
|
|
Post by Clive on May 10, 2023 18:47:42 GMT
Update on the usability issues I was having.
With the unofficial 1.42 firmware I was having trouble playing anything tonight. Some tracks would play for a few seconds and some not at all. This version of the firmware seems to be for Roon and Tidal users, I'm in neither camp. I've reverted to 1.4 and it works far better. There's still sometimes a glitch when changing sample rates but tracks now play almost immediately. At least I now don't feel the need to throw my phone with bubble through a window 👹
|
|
|
|
Post by Tim on May 10, 2023 20:44:51 GMT
Very interesting reading this thread as an R26 has been a consideration because of the streamer integration, your comments about the Bridge besting it have been very helpful CliveAny body using it/used it to stream files from a local music server and if so was it gapless? |
|
|
|
Post by Clive on May 10, 2023 21:00:12 GMT
Very interesting reading this thread as an R26 has been a consideration because of the streamer integration, your comments about the Bridge besting it have been very helpful Clive Any body using it/used it to stream files from a local music server and if so was it gapless? If no one answers I’ll try it tomorrow, I’ve been using a mix of Qobuz and files from my server. I’ve played individual live tracks but not tracks that flow from one to another. It should be gapless via bubble but it needs testing. |
|
|
|
Post by John on May 10, 2023 21:04:40 GMT
Have you enabled the proxy settings it should help with stability
|
|
|
|
Post by Clive on May 10, 2023 21:13:57 GMT
Have you enabled the proxy settings it should help with stability I haven’t though I had the same issue with files from my server as well as Qobuz. It’s worth trying. I suspect that with 1.42 it wasn’t fully tested without Roon or Tidal. |
|
|
|
Post by Tim on May 10, 2023 21:35:37 GMT
Thanks Clive, gapless playback is an issue I have encountered via DLNA - only came to notice recently when I bought a WiiM Pro and streaming from my JRiver music server. Volumio has never once had a problem playing gapless acting as a network bridge for JRiver, but the WiiM does and lots of Googling reveals it's a constant issue across other devices and platforms. Even a Hegel, although I think that might have been resolved now. Couldn't even get Bubble to play gapless to the WiiM. It does seem that not many people stream their own files from servers now, just from streaming services. Seems I'm a dinosaur already!
|
|
|
|
Post by MartinT on May 11, 2023 5:01:58 GMT
Thanks Clive, gapless playback is an issue I have encountered via DLNA That's interesting, could the R26 implementation be that different from the X26 Pro? No problem playing gapless from Qobuz via DLNA at all. If I remember, I'll try playing an album from Google Drive but I'll need to see if I have any that are gapless between tracks. |
|
|
|
Post by Tim on May 11, 2023 8:39:18 GMT
Yes I know Martin, me neither, but I'm not talking about streaming from a streaming service I'm referring to files shared via DLNA across a local network from a server. Seems to be a lot more common than I imagined after a lot of research following my recent experience. Hard to get a consensus of opinion too, as there are so many variables. For some reference I'm looking at simplifying my current system, but will be keeping a music server, so I need a solution with very dependable, gapless playback over a local network. Seems the deeper I delve the more often people report problems. I guess ultimately I'll just have to buy whatever it is I'd like and try it, but I'd like to be as confident as I can be beforehand. I'm put off the idea more than encouraged as what I have now works, but I've got too many wires and boxes for my liking, so a streaming DAC or amplifier seems to be the next step. I guess if I stopped listening to Dark Side of the Moon I'd be okay  |
|
|
|
Post by Clive on May 11, 2023 9:17:13 GMT
Yes I know Martin, me neither, but I'm not talking about streaming from a streaming service I'm referring to files shared via DLNA across a local network from a server. Seems to be a lot more common than I imagined after a lot of research following my recent experience. Hard to get a consensus of opinion too, as there are so many variables. For some reference I'm looking at simplifying my current system, but will be keeping a music server, so I need a solution with very dependable, gapless playback over a local network. Seems the deeper I delve the more often people report problems. I guess ultimately I'll just have to buy whatever it is I'd like and try it, but I'd like to be as confident as I can be beforehand. I'm put off the idea more than encouraged as what I have now works, but I've got too many wires and boxes for my liking, so a streaming DAC or amplifier seems to be the next step. I guess if I stopped listening to Dark Side of the Moon I'd be okay Tim, let me know a pair of Dark Side of the Moon tracks to test for you. BTW I’ve worked out in more detail why the 1.42 unofficial firmware was so problematic for me. The streamer has 128MB of memory. When Roon and Tidal Connect services are added (which I don’t need) this can result in the SD being used for the swapfile….clearly that’s really bad news and it was! |
|
|
|
Post by MartinT on May 11, 2023 9:28:42 GMT
Yes I know Martin, me neither, but I'm not talking about streaming from a streaming service I'm referring to files shared via DLNA across a local network from a server. Ah yes, I can see that I can't really emulate your scenario as my very few files are held in Google Drive, not in local storage, which is why they behave exactly like streaming (everything comes from the internet). Does it not point to your NAS as the culprit, not implementing DLNA correctly? |
|
|
|
Post by Clive on May 11, 2023 9:51:38 GMT
I’ve played some live album tracks which were gapless. I then went to DSOTM - Speak to Me & Breathe. Gapless.
My setup is Windows 10 with Twonky as the DLNA server.
I’m currently enjoying NOS mode too. There’s a bit more pseudo physical presence.
edit: NOS is growing on me, treble is better defined too, overall it’s darned good. As ever I reserve final judgement until I’ve listened a lot more.
|
|
|
|
Post by stellabagpuss on May 11, 2023 10:22:40 GMT
Yes I know Martin, me neither, but I'm not talking about streaming from a streaming service I'm referring to files shared via DLNA across a local network from a server. Seems to be a lot more common than I imagined after a lot of research following my recent experience. Hard to get a consensus of opinion too, as there are so many variables. For some reference I'm looking at simplifying my current system, but will be keeping a music server, so I need a solution with very dependable, gapless playback over a local network. Seems the deeper I delve the more often people report problems. I guess ultimately I'll just have to buy whatever it is I'd like and try it, but I'd like to be as confident as I can be beforehand. I'm put off the idea more than encouraged as what I have now works, but I've got too many wires and boxes for my liking, so a streaming DAC or amplifier seems to be the next step. I guess if I stopped listening to Dark Side of the Moon I'd be okay Glad you mentioned that gapless is not working via WiiM Pro from Jriver, l was thinking of trying that route out, think l will pass on it. |
|
|
|
Post by Tim on May 11, 2023 12:15:45 GMT
I’ve played some live album tracks which were gapless. I then went to DSOTM - Speak to Me & Breathe. Gapless. My setup is Windows 10 with Twonky as the DLNA server. Thanks Clive, that's very helpful - is that going direct to the R26 or via the Lindemann? Glad you mentioned that gapless is not working via WiiM Pro from Jriver, l was thinking of trying that route out, think l will pass on it. Well it does and it doesn't Damien. If I use JRiver itself or another controller (such as JRemote2, Gizmo or BubbleUPnP) to send the share to the WiiM Pro it isn't gapless at the receiving end. However, if I use the WiiM app to pull the files from JRiver it is gapless and everything else I have tried with the WiiM is gapless too, as in streaming services such as Spotify, Tidal and Qobuz. I gave up trying to solve it and even had the WiiM forum possie out trying to solve it too, they were initially a bit defensive intimating it shouldn't be a problem and it must be me, until one guy actually tried it using JRiver and got the same result. So at the moment it's an unresolved conflict, which may or may not be fixed by the WiiM development team. But if it works from the WiiM app, I doubt it'll be addressed which is totally understandable.
It's not really a problem as I have the Pi/DigiOne with Volumio acting as the bridge to my server, which so far has never let me down, but it would have been tidier to have one box doing everything rather than two. I was going to return the WiiM but it's very good indeed streaming Qobuz, especially powered from a 5V powerbank. So I'm keeping it - the only thing I really don't like is the WiiM app, which I find clunky, but apparently Qobuz connect will soon be available for the WiiM, so that'll be perfect.
|
|
|
|
Post by Clive on May 11, 2023 12:38:45 GMT
I’ve played some live album tracks which were gapless. I then went to DSOTM - Speak to Me & Breathe. Gapless. My setup is Windows 10 with Twonky as the DLNA server. Thanks Clive, that's very helpful - is that going direct to the R26 or via the Lindemann? Direct via Ethernet into the LAN input (streamer) of the R26. No Lindemann involved. It’s all working very well with the correct firmware. |
|
|
|
Post by Tim on May 11, 2023 12:55:25 GMT
Perfect, thanks.
EDIT: Actually, I'm going to try Twonky Server as they have a 30 day trial and see if it's the same over DLNA to the WiiM?
I'll give it a go on Windows and Linux using BubbleUPnP as the controller - that'll keep me busy for an hour or so.
|
|
