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Post by rfan8312 on Aug 27, 2021 19:47:16 GMT
Eminem - My Darling
I followed most of his career and it is a sort of fairy tale of the depths he came from, receiving an unusual amount of tools for his craft. Rhyming words that you wouldn't expect, rapidly, with bizarre laser precision enunciation. The look, the humor, the lack of fear of offending people, an alignment with hip hop royalty Dr. Dre, the creation of an alter ego named Slim Shady that every young male on Earth seemed to fall in love with. I was in my 20's when Eminem blew up and no one in any circles I knew of denied Slim Shady. I'd argue that he became the most famous person in the world at one point.
By the time this song was released Eminem was a prisoner of his own fame. I don't know of any actor, aside from maybe Leonardo DiCaprio who couldn't go anywhere without causing mass hysteria (Sharon Stone spoke of this in an interview calling it sad). On the album the song after this one is amazing as well called 'Careful What You Wish For'.
For a true Eminem fan, obsessed years ago with recordings of him in hotel rooms and clubs and street corners slaying other rappers before he was known worldwide, the 11/10 execution here of the "a deal with the devil" concept is 100% spot on.
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Post by MartinT on Aug 27, 2021 19:59:56 GMT
I've just tried it and it's not for me, I'm afraid.
I very much doubt I'm the target audience, though!
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Post by rfan8312 on Aug 27, 2021 20:10:45 GMT
100% understandable, Martin. I think his target was the young men in those days, and I fell into that crowd back then and so was hooked for life.
But having said that, I don't know that I've ever witnessed a gift so potent, and a world so possessed by it, from an individual artist aside from maybe Michael Jackson, Leonardo DiCaprio, Elvis (though I can't be sure), David Blaine, Martin Lawrence.
I do feel lucky though to have witnessed his career. It felt like magic.
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Post by MartinT on Aug 27, 2021 20:17:24 GMT
But having said that, I don't know that I've ever witnessed a gift so potent from an individual artist aside from maybe Michael Jackson, Leonardo DiCaprio, Elvis (though I can't be sure), David Blaine. I can empathise with that. I feel the same about Leonard Cohen, having listened to his songs, read his poetry and biography, followed his life and loves. I still choke up listening to his final album, songs with such impact sung by a dying but reconciled man.
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Post by rfan8312 on Aug 27, 2021 20:23:54 GMT
Wow. You know there's a scene in a film called Natural Born Killers, where the song is by Leonard Cohen, called 'Waiting For The Miracle'. It's perfection, the song combined with the scene feels like a force of nature and his voice almost doesn't sound human in there.
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Post by MartinT on Aug 27, 2021 20:26:53 GMT
Waiting for the Miracle is a stunner. It's on the album The Future, co-produced by his love of the time, actress Rebecca de Mornay. Another connection to the film world.
Sorry for hijacking your thread.
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Post by rfan8312 on Aug 27, 2021 20:40:07 GMT
Oh no problem, I once thought Rebecca DeMornay was the most beautiful woman I'd ever seen. And a very serious actress.
On this track, the way Eminem and the devils voice melt into one and how the devil reminds Slim that "...isn't that us on that poster?" is chilling because it works as a metaphor for how many stars needed to align for Eminem.
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Post by julesd68 on Aug 27, 2021 20:49:47 GMT
I was a big hip-hop and electro fan back in the early 80's but lost interest near the end of the decade as sampling took over and the whole scene blew-up - became more about money than the music.
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Post by rfan8312 on Aug 27, 2021 21:05:59 GMT
Yes real hip hop once existed. For me it was De La Soul, A Tribe Called Quest and a small handful of others, it was real human magic. But money came along and closed all of that down too.
When Eminem came along he was dubbed "The Great White Hope" for hip hop. But it was already dead and not even Eminem could bring it back.
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Post by julesd68 on Aug 27, 2021 21:29:06 GMT
I liked those guys you mention a lot and in a similar vein Jungle Brothers, but I loved 'hardcore' hip-hop too - Public Enemy etc ... Even though I'm not spinning vinyl now I've kept all those records and won't part with them as they were a big part of my youth. I've also kept my cassettes with mixes and stuff taped off the radio - will be a major nostalgia trip to listen to those again some day.
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Post by rfan8312 on Aug 28, 2021 1:14:42 GMT
Yes, the Jungle Brothers, some great tracks.
I got into some really hardcore stuff in a big way like Non Phixion and most of all Brooklyn Academy. I always knew it was complete inane BS, but presented in a way that impressed the hell out of me. It was confrontational music towards an imaginary word battle opponent.
For me the rhymer in this one at 1:45 was the master class in dirty Wordplay and rhyme schemes.
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