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Post by julesd68 on Aug 12, 2014 12:07:07 GMT
I once went down to my garage and saw a plain black holdall in the corner of our car park. I had a quick peek inside and discovered it was a working lady's 'kit bag'. It was full of unfeasibly large dildos and porn vids etc It rather turned my stomach having to pick the thing up and dump it in the bins!
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Post by Chris on Aug 12, 2014 12:11:59 GMT
Yeah right MartinT - who are you trying to kid!!?
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Post by Dave on Aug 12, 2014 12:17:10 GMT
Leaving aside the subject matter for a moment to concentrate on the morality of this: If I caught ANYONE from the various services taking photographs in my house without my permission they'd get a thick ear shortly followed by a phone call from me to whichever company they worked for demanding immediate disciplinary action. Depending on the seriousness of the situation I might even get the Police involved.
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Post by Dave on Aug 12, 2014 12:24:34 GMT
Actually Paul it may be best that you remove those photos because I am tempted to report this to whichever authority I deem fit... That is fucking out of order...
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Post by danielquinn on Aug 12, 2014 12:26:03 GMT
For the record , it would be a breach of civil law as you had invited them in and as such the police would not be interested . It would be a invasion of privacy - Cease and desist , confiscation and compensation would be the available remedies .
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Post by Dave on Aug 12, 2014 12:27:59 GMT
For the record , it would be a breach of civil law as you had invited them in and as such the police would not be interested . It would be a invasion of privacy - Cease and desist , confiscation and compensation would be the available remedies . Thanks for clarifying that DQ, I'm fucking fuming...
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Post by Paul Barker on Aug 12, 2014 13:04:37 GMT
Actually Paul it may be best that you remove those photos because I am tempted to report this to whichever authority I deem fit... That is fucking out of order... Done. though for the record I didn't take photos of anyones home. I photographed my computer screen.
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Post by danielquinn on Aug 12, 2014 13:08:30 GMT
There is of course a certain irony in bringing a claim for breach of privacy when you left your sex toys out for the workmen to see .
I'm sure that would have given the judiciary a wry smile .
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Post by Chris on Aug 12, 2014 13:09:07 GMT
Interesting from dq there - I didn't think anyone had a right to privacy in this country?
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Post by danielquinn on Aug 12, 2014 13:20:54 GMT
Pedant You are of course correct , In England and Wales *, the human rights act and various duties of care arising out of confidence agreements or breach of trust when there is a a reasonable expectation of privacy can be utilized to exercise a right to privacy . John Terry , Naiomi Campbell and our friend Max Mosley have done much in recent years to define the limits of our right to privacy . But there is no general right to privacy that is true . * I know bugger all about Scotland .
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Post by MartinT on Aug 12, 2014 13:27:47 GMT
Actually Paul it may be best that you remove those photos because I am tempted to report this to whichever authority I deem fit... That is fucking out of order... All well and good and Paul has reacted quickly by removing them.
Shame, though, that a threat was issued rather than just making a polite request.
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Post by Dave on Aug 12, 2014 18:32:18 GMT
Apologies for being so blunt earlier but I was absolutely livid at the time. Regardless of how these people choose to live it is their home and they have a right to privacy in it. I understand you didn't take the photos personally Paul however I am gobsmacked that you didn't think it through before posting them up on a public forum. It's very rare that I use profanity online but on this occasion the scale of betrayal evident here warranted it IMO.
My threat was a serious one Martin because the public necessarily trust those who service their gas and electrical appliances and the companies who employ them. Customers also rightly expect employees of the various service organisations to respect them, their homes and their lifestyles in the line of duty. I would be very surprised if there is not a clause in employee contracts which addresses this issue.
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Post by John on Aug 12, 2014 18:35:41 GMT
Perhaps the best way Dave is to speak to the the person first before you threaten? I understand the strong feelings but often a polite word is all that is needed
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Post by Dave on Aug 12, 2014 18:47:08 GMT
John, do me a favour and go back to the beginning of the thread and re-read it please mate. Then imagine how you would feel if you came across photos of your bathroom and kitchen online and then read the comments below it. I'm sure your house is not in such a state but even so, once you discovered that a service worker had taken photos without your permission in your property I think I can safely predict you'd be onto someone pretty damn quick. One thing for sure, I will be keeping a closer eye on any service workers who enter my property from now on, especially now that I know pictures of the interiors of customers properties are being bandied about online. I shall be warning friends, family and neighbours too. Anyway I've said my piece and shall leave it at that.
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Post by Chris on Aug 13, 2014 6:19:01 GMT
Cheers dq! Appreciate the answer.
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Post by Paul Barker on Aug 13, 2014 8:07:26 GMT
Apologies for being so blunt earlier You don't need to apologise, if you hadn't been emphatic I would have thought you were joaking. The problem with the writen word on the internet is that unless the poster expliains his emotion you cannot necessarily read it from the words. You saying you were livid or similar was what made me sit up and notice and I went straight to photobucket and deleted the photographs. I have to be perfectly honest and say that my mind was not in the right place over the issue. We all get carried along by the spirit in a place of comeradery and I brought that spirit here with me. You have explained to me that from the perspective outside that which I hold what "we" have seen as unharmful to an individual is offensive. I am sorry to have to report to you that the use of phones as cameras is widespread in all areas of life these days. Intrusion into personal lives is now widespread. With the incident of the topic the person who took the picture did not and never would reveal name or place. I came from a medical background and I can assure you that in the loop of that world it is the same. x-rays used to circulate, code is writen in notes which mean such things as "totally unnecesary breast examination" or "Normal for Scarborough" (which translates to all who know as person is a dimwit). I have no doubt it is the same in the world of car mechanics or any other world of group spirit. I am not defending it I am explaining it. what the heck even conservative politicians behave badly when they believe they are in a huddle together. I was in such a huddle as my uncle was standing at a low level but I was completely put of conservative politics after that meeting. We have all felt the shock you feel. I do appreciate your pointing it out. I actually don't take this type of picture personally. But I may recount the situation to people as a way to offload it. Only yesterday afternoon I was in a prefab which the whole plcae was like that kitchen. I had a hell of a job dealing with it, and trying to establish if the occupant was even safe. I had to upgrade his ventilation complete strip and build back up in that environment all his gas appliances, not even sure if I would get paid, but my duty is to save him from being killed in his situation that has grown dangerous around him as he sat helpless over maybe 20 years. Some people get into this state very gradually but eventually it has grown around them a monster they can't fight. In the finish I had his fire safe but condemned his boiler. Nobody was more surprised than me at the end he had the money to pay me, though the bill was kept to a bare minimum and no way worth the effort. I was also able to find a family member that he could put me in touch with and I had a helpful conversation with that person about the way forward for this gentleman and particularly what we could do for him before winter. He is coming this morning to discuss the strategy. Now I needed to unvent from this horrible afternoon. some guys would have taken pictures gone onto their gas forum and vented off as in the case I linked to. It is a safety blow off valve. But I just went home and said to my wife, I just did a horrible jonb. I don't want to talk about it. But it was horrible. that was enough to get my mind healed. I think knowing he was not to be left completely helpless helped my state of mind aswell. though it was impossible for me to fix everything I was at least able to make progress and see a glimmer of light on the horizon. But again, sorry that I stepped over the mark carried along by the spirit in another place. I have learned from your guidance and I am sorry you had to do it. It was very threatening, but the spirit I was carrie dalong in if you hadn't been so threatening I would surely have missed the point. Very sorry.
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Post by danielquinn on Aug 13, 2014 10:57:17 GMT
I think a little perspective may be required . The publication of the photos was at worst morally dubious [ as they are anonymous ] . i read several things on forums a day i consider morally dubious and if i do comment i am careful to ease off on the opprobrium as morals are personal and a difficult judgement call . Dave response was unreasonable and disproportionate , in response to a moral judgement dispute , which it could be argued is in itself morally dubious . Though his initial judgement was premised on it being illegal . leaving your sex toys out for a workman to see is also morally dubious [ it is odds on the owner would have viewed 70's porn and would therefore be familiar with the classic workman housewife story line and thus the possible inferences to drawn by leaving them on display ] Thus no harm done to anyone .
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Post by Paul Barker on Aug 13, 2014 11:48:52 GMT
leaving your sex toys out for a workman to see is also morally dubious [ it is odds on the owner would have viewed 70's porn and would therefore be familiar with the classic workman housewife story line and thus the possible inferences to drawn by leaving them on display ] Actually the operative did say she was attractive and had a nice mini on the drive. that side of our life I have always ignored as my wife has always been my only sexual partner we met in 1978. but your ref. to 70's porn scenario is not ref. to a mythical scenario. Plenty of men who voisit homes with only a bored housewife present can testify. I have to give very strong signals of my loyalty to my wife quite frequently, and I have had to take a person with me on occasions just to drive the point home clearly. Fortunately I have never been in the situation Joseph found himself in with Potiphar's wife but it is ever a real danger. I have scorned more than a few women buy rebuffing their advances. If I had been accompanied into that bathroom by an attractive woman alone as he was I would probably have felt under serious threat. Perhaps his reaction was really just a response to the bizaar nature of the situation he was forced into. At least in his case it was clear the danger, I am so not looking for it that it has usually brewed in the woman's mind for quite a while before I have even recognised it. they all give up the persuit though in the end when they realise I am not just stupid, but I am actually a loyal husband. Not a person they are used to encountering.
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Post by jammy on Aug 15, 2014 5:58:05 GMT
Even by my standards, and not having seen the pics, I think this is one seriously fuked up thread.
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Post by Dave on Aug 15, 2014 8:02:14 GMT
I have deliberately stayed away from this thread over the last few days for all sorts of reasons but hey, I'm back.
Just because technology empowers us to do this sort of thing it does not mean it is morally correct. I understand that the gentleman responsible for the photos might have been shocked by the discovery but in his line of work it comes with the territory. My point is thus, it was grossly unethical of him to take those photos and publish them online, period. To be absolutely clear on this, my reaction would have been exactly the same if the property had been a mansion and the photos had contained images of its lush interior.
It's simple really, if you are invited into someone's home for whatever reason then the onus is on YOU to treat your hosts and their home with respect, even if their lifestyle happens to differ from yours.
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