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Post by stanleyb on Aug 21, 2018 18:56:05 GMT
There have been many discussions on the forums about types of turbo implementation in cars. As I recall, Saab are of the 'bang in the torque' variety as soon as the turbo has spun up to speed. That's what gives you the head snap! Head snap in a what 150-200 bhp per tonne car - hehe. You obviously haven't had a spin in a 2.3L SAAB fitted with the Mitsubishi TD-04 turbo. 258 ft·lb at a mere 1900 rpm is scary if you put your foot down a bit too fast. It's a two hands on the steering wheel white knuckle ride. |
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Post by MartinT on Aug 22, 2018 6:55:11 GMT
The torque between 2000-5000rpm in my old remapped BMW 335d twin turbo was mad: 740nm (545ft.lb). Now that was head snapping!
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Post by stanleyb on Aug 22, 2018 11:00:32 GMT
Once you involve remapping, and diesel, then things can get terrifying.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2018 12:35:00 GMT
Up until six years ago it was for myself (road cars) always petrol, the bike I use is 302 bhp @rear wheel does takes some hanging onto if you wring the throttle a touch!
Diesels done correctly can be very entertaining if a somewhat over stressing for the rear tires. My weekend ride is now just over 1000f/lbs of torque around the 2800 zone, still averaging around 35 mpg if I drive at a Meridian owners pace well over 40mpg is possible
Though if a little heavy on the right foot them rear tires can disappear in under 1000 miles.
What ever you drive/ride/pilot enjoy it as some red taped eurocrat will take it away at some point lol
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Post by speedysteve on Aug 22, 2018 16:40:20 GMT
Head snap in a what 150-200 bhp per tonne car - hehe. You obviously haven't had a spin in a 2.3L SAAB fitted with the Mitsubishi TD-04 turbo. 258 ft·lb at a mere 1900 rpm is scary if you put your foot down a bit too fast. It's a two hands on the steering wheel white knuckle ride. No, and you haven't been in a 500bhp / tonne Caterham on slicks or ToyoR tyres on the road. It's all relative.. To put it into perspective, you'd need a 788bhp (with associated torque) motor in that Saab to have the same accelerative force. Now ludicrous mode is worth mentioning |
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Post by MartinT on Aug 22, 2018 17:16:58 GMT
Now ludicrous mode is worth mentioning I once followed the top model Tesla in previously mentioned rather swift BMW. When he accelerated away it felt like I was standing still. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2018 17:56:37 GMT
Now ludicrous mode is worth mentioning I once followed the top model Tesla in previously mentioned rather swift BMW. When he accelerated away it felt like I was standing still. Indeed one of those big elastic band powered things kept up with the bike for a good 300 yards quite impressed, sub 3 sec figures seem fair with that instant grunt machine |
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Post by speedysteve on Aug 22, 2018 18:03:58 GMT
I once followed the top model Tesla in previously mentioned rather swift BMW. When he accelerated away it felt like I was standing still. Indeed one of those big elastic band powered things kept up with the bike for a good 300 yards quite impressed, sub 3 sec figures seem fair with that instant grunt machine Unfortunately they are not a very sporty chassis and I guess you are all too aware of the sheer mass you have moving and sooner or later have to stop. Be interesting to see what the likes of Lotus and McLaren ( if they still exist by then), can come up with.. |
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Post by MartinT on Aug 22, 2018 19:07:08 GMT
The Tesla Sportster is the one to get. Based on Lotus chassis.
Don't look for one, you couldn't afford it...
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Post by speedysteve on Aug 23, 2018 8:26:09 GMT
The Tesla Sportster is the one to get. Based on Lotus chassis. Don't look for one, you couldn't afford it... What was the quote, you can sleep in your car, but you can't race your house  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2018 8:33:21 GMT
The one issue with Tesla's for me is the build quality not as good as you think!
Steve
Just think if we good design a power pack for a Caterham style car, that produced even half the horsepower, but with the ultra low COG due to the battery configuration now that I would consider!
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Post by MikeMusic on Aug 23, 2018 9:16:58 GMT
Mulled over the idea of Tesla.
What I found said forget that idea.
Very expensive 2nd hand. Saw nothing under £40k
As above not good handling and not so good build quality.
Typical US car then, fast in a straight line. The end
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2018 9:44:28 GMT
Mike
You also forgot the £20K plus for the windscreen on the fancy model lol
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Post by MikeMusic on Aug 23, 2018 10:58:27 GMT
A must have !
Ouch
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Post by MartinT on Aug 23, 2018 12:02:35 GMT
You've got to hand it to Musk, though, for starting a car company from scratch with both car and battery manufacturing. Who would want to undertake such pain!
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Post by DaveC on Aug 23, 2018 12:23:46 GMT
I have first hand experience of the Tesla S as my subcontractors are leasing a new one.
Firstly it is fast, very fast. It does handle as well as an AMG E63 and that's good enough for most people, the weight is very low giving a low center of gravity. The interior is not as good as an E Class. I think they are designed to be leased and insured with Tesla then there are no issues.
Dave
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Post by MikeMusic on Aug 23, 2018 12:59:37 GMT
You've got to hand it to Musk, though, for starting a car company from scratch with both car and battery manufacturing. Who would want to undertake such pain! 100% He aimed it at the US market and wins. May never need to bother with good handling or making it like a Lexus |
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Post by stanleyb on Aug 24, 2018 12:04:59 GMT
Give me one of the new Kalashnikov CV-1 and I'll be well happy. Loads of options for new body kit ideas I reckon.
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Post by MartinT on Aug 24, 2018 12:47:49 GMT
You'll certainly be noticed!
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Post by pre65 on Aug 24, 2018 12:49:40 GMT
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