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Post by MikeMusic on Jun 23, 2018 16:19:58 GMT
I knew it wouldn't be good but surprised how bad it is.
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Post by Slinger on Jun 23, 2018 17:53:58 GMT
I'm suddenly quite pleased that I chose a vegan pizza for dinner tonight, and a soft drink to wash it down.
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Post by Tim on Jun 23, 2018 21:40:13 GMT
You should read this Mike;
I drastically reduced my meat & poultry consumption a few years ago, together with dairy. UK dairy production is a little better than that, but not much. There's something seriously wrong with farming when milk is often cheaper than buying bottled water - that's just f***** up!
Eat food Mostly plants Not too much
By 'eating food', he means home cooked real food, not processed edible food like products in boxes/packets. I can't remember whose quote it was, but I think it's a good one, Eat whatever you like, as long as you cook it yourself. And waiting for a 'ding' isn't cooking 
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Post by brian2957 on Jun 24, 2018 1:15:09 GMT
I went vegetarian 2 years ago and also keep dairy to a minimum . I find Almond milk to be a good substitute for milk . This little film you posted just strengthens my resolve Mike .
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Post by MikeMusic on Jun 24, 2018 9:07:50 GMT
You should read this Mike; I drastically reduced my meat & poultry consumption a few years ago, together with dairy. UK dairy production is a little better than that, but not much. There's something seriously wrong with farming when milk is often cheaper than buying bottled water - that's just f***** up! Eat food Mostly plants Not too much
By 'eating food', he means home cooked real food, not processed edible food like products in boxes/packets. I can't remember whose quote it was, but I think it's a good one, Eat whatever you like, as long as you cook it yourself. And waiting for a 'ding' isn't cooking Couldn't read that Tim. I'm already convinced plus it would only upset me. Went veggie in the 80s after getting my first dogs. Wouldn't eat them so I stopped eating other animals. Had been coming a long time, just too easy to have packets of things that don't look like dead animals. Been heading toward vegan for a while now. That will happen sooner now. |
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Post by MikeMusic on Jun 24, 2018 9:11:47 GMT
I went vegetarian 2 years ago and also keep dairy to a minimum . I find Almond milk to be a good substitute for milk . This little film you posted just strengthens my resolve Mike .
All the food we eat at home is cooked by us on a daily basis . Bonus for me when I gave up dairy was my breathing became easier. Plus colds go away faster. I like Soya milk on my breakfast. I'll be looking at exactly what is in the processed food we have, stop the items with dairy, cut down further and eventually out |
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Post by Tim on Jun 24, 2018 11:56:09 GMT
I don't have an issue with eating some meat, but I would never eat your dogs Mike I don't buy meat in a supermarket though.
I do have an issue with factory farming and the food industry as a whole - the way the world is consuming meat is just not sustainable. Our obesity problem is out of control and crippling an already crippled NHS. Processed crap is a major contributory factor, I'm not sure how we've got it so wrong? We eat more processed ready meals in the UK, than the whole of Europe combined! It's virtually unknown in most of Asia too, who still cook real food and eat together. When did we lose the ability to prepare our own food?
I guess I'm lucky as I've always known how to cook and enjoy it, but it's really not that difficult.
I'm a flexitarian during the week, but still don't eat a lot of meat at the weekend. I think I'd find it very hard to give up bacon 100%, but one day I'll end up a vegetarian - I'm nearly there . . .
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Post by MikeMusic on Jun 24, 2018 13:19:01 GMT
Driven by our old friend money
Way more dough in processed food than fresh fruit and veg.
Loads of lovely chemicals to keep the processed longer
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Post by Tim on Jun 24, 2018 13:25:15 GMT
Driven by our old friend money I one way yes, but lazy arsed people who lack any personal responsibility are more to blame IMO. If we didn't keep buying it, it wouldn't be so prevalent. The French still eat well, as do the Mediterranean countries, we just got lazy and as a result, fat. I can't believe the size of the Welsh, they've got a real problem here.
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Post by Slinger on Jun 24, 2018 13:56:55 GMT
We lost our ability to prepare our own food when "mum" was either forced to or chose to, seek full-time employment. The kids get fed whatever is quickest to prepare and cheapest to buy. I remember a few years ago the furore about children not knowing how to use cutlery at school, so used were they to eating with their fingers at home.
As an old(er) bugger, I'm lucky. My mum made sure I knew how to cook, by example and by letting me "help" her from a very young age. She's in her mid/late nineties now, and mostly blind, and when I spoke to her on the phone today she'd just cooked and frozen some apple and blackberries, ready to make a pie with next week.
During the cooler months (all 12 of them sometimes) my slow-cooker gets plenty of use. Sling some meat in, some stock, some veg...go to bed, wake up to a stew or a casserole. It's not rocket science. I also cook things in the microwave. They're not just for heating stuff up. Scrambled eggs in the microwave are the best. I also steam vegetables in it.
I'm restricted to supermarket fare, and I do "treat" myself to a ready-meal once in a while, but where I can, I cook from scratch, or eat simple things that don't need much cooking. I'm just as happy with poached eggs on toast for dinner, or a salad with some cold meat I've prepared in the slow cooker and put by in the freezer. Add potato salad made with Polish mayonnaise, some beetroot, and I'm a happy bunny.
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Post by Tim on Jun 24, 2018 14:17:09 GMT
We lost our ability to prepare our own food when "mum" was either forced to or chose to, seek full-time employment. The kids get fed whatever is quickest to prepare and cheapest to buy. That is often said as the reason and whilst I agree to some extent, it's not IMO the full picture. My best friend and his wife both work, him often very long hours, but they always ensured their two girls ate proper food and sat down at the table together. The lady of the house actually dislikes cooking, but valued her children's health more. They are now in their early twenties, both healthy well adjusted (normal sized) young women who have a proper relationship with food.
I don't really buy the both parents working excuse that much, I bet they have 3/4 hours spare every evening to park their arses in front of a TV and watch a few hours of vacuous, mindless garbage.
My mum made sure her two boys could cook too Slinger, in fact my brother is a chef!
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Post by MikeMusic on Jun 24, 2018 14:33:45 GMT
My mum didn't work and we didn't eat that well.
Shortage of money I think
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Post by Slinger on Jun 24, 2018 15:17:34 GMT
We lost our ability to prepare our own food when "mum" was either forced to or chose to, seek full-time employment. The kids get fed whatever is quickest to prepare and cheapest to buy. That is often said as the reason and whilst I agree to some extent, it's not IMO the full picture...
Agreed, and that's why I phrased it as "when" rather than "because," Tim. Another good point you raise is "sitting down at the table together." "Dinner" used to be a family occasion, now, at worst, it can be a bunch of individuals grabbing their finger-food whenever they can be arsed, and eating it in front of the telly...which, now that I'm on my own, I do almost every night.  |
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Post by Slinger on Jun 24, 2018 15:24:23 GMT
My mum didn't work and we didn't eat that well. Shortage of money I think That's another major reason for "home cooking," Mike. It used to be a lot less expensive to prepare a meal from scratch than it was to buy ready prepared food. Also, if you were lucky, beans, peas, spuds, and the like came from your garden for at least a part of the year, depending on its size. There also wasn't such a huge variety of prepared meals even if you could afford them. |
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Post by rfan8312 on Jun 24, 2018 15:59:36 GMT
Not sure how prevalent fast "food" is over there, but here in the states, it's more than rampant. Every town has 20 drive through places, every convenience store has tons of ready made meals.
My gf and I both ate it constantly after leaving our parents houses. We finally cut down a year ago.
It's a terrible excuse for food, it's cooked using mass production. It's expensive. It's super processed for long shelf life.
We now cook chili with rice and vegetables, and a pasta dish with cherry tomatoes, basil pesto, asparagus, sun dried tomatoes and chicken.
It's still not good for us but it's better than the trash pedaled by corporations on the street.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2018 18:02:22 GMT
I am on the verge or Dairy intolerance. I also eat far too much processed food and am overweight. Wow that was nice to get off my chest.
My problem is primarily that I can't cook a lot , and because I can't, I feel guilty expecting my wife to do it all so my way of paying her back is to get a takeaway or a ready meal. Interestingly we don't have many ready meals, but we do have far too much takeaway.
Because of my heart condition, we have been trying to cut down and lose weight, but with everything going on in our personal lives, we've struggled to find the right balance.
What I hate however, is people who have never been overweight, particularly doctors or consultants, telling me to lose weight. If you haven't been overweight, it is impossible for you to know how hard it is to not only get the motivation, but also actually lose the weight. Especially as I cannot do that much exercise as a result of my heart condition.
Interestingly, we have all been told that Heart conditions are caused by the food we eat, but there is a recent view (and likely to be confirmed within the next 10 years or so through research) that you are either prone to heart conditions or you aren't, and that the food you eat makes very little difference either way as to whether you get the condition. Granted, it doesn't help once you have got the condition as it makes the heart work harder.
P.S. my heart condition has been confirmed as nothing to do with my lifestyle.
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Post by rfan8312 on Jun 24, 2018 18:10:21 GMT
A doctor told me that it's a matter of biology and what kind of body you inherit. He said so e people's veins are more viscous than others. Stickier veins are bound to collect more matter and build up. It's a complete crap shoot.
Anyway, on my phone if I just swipe left it shows a step counter. The messages that come with the amount of steps taken indicate how close you are to a path of getting healthier. It claims just walking can save your life.
Would you be interested in trying a step counter on smartphone Paul?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2018 18:25:39 GMT
I already have one on my Apple Watch  . I also don’t have any blockages in my artaries or vains, my condition is actually damage to the physical heart (dilation) as opposed the more traditional heart related issues, i,e. heart attacks etc. due to blockages. Apparently, if you don’t have a blockage when they check, you never will despite what you do from a lifecycle perspective. I try to walk as much as possible, and since our son has come into our lives, we have both been a lot more active as a result. |
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Post by Slinger on Jun 24, 2018 18:39:14 GMT
I am on the verge or Dairy intolerance. I also eat far too much processed food and am overweight. Wow that was nice to get off my chest. My problem is primarily that I can't cook a lot , and because I can't, I feel guilty expecting my wife to do it all so my way of paying her back is to get a takeaway or a ready meal. Interestingly we don't have many ready meals, but we do have far too much takeaway. Because of my heart condition, we have been trying to cut down and lose weight, but with everything going on in our personal lives, we've struggled to find the right balance. What I hate however, is people who have never been overweight, particularly doctors or consultants, telling me to lose weight. If you haven't been overweight, it is impossible for you to know how hard it is to not only get the motivation, but also actually lose the weight. Especially as I cannot do that much exercise as a result of my heart condition. Interestingly, we have all been told that Heart conditions are caused by the food we eat, but there is a recent view (and likely to be confirmed within the next 10 years or so through research) that you are either prone to heart conditions or you aren't, and that the food you eat makes very little difference either way as to whether you get the condition. Granted, it doesn't help once you have got the condition as it makes the heart work harder. P.S. my heart condition has been confirmed as nothing to do with my lifestyle. Paul, when you say you "can't cook a lot" do you mean that your repertoire is limited, or there's a health-related reason that doesn't allow you to cook? If it's the "repertoire" thing, buy a cookbook. Get Jamie Oliver's 30-minute meals or whatever and try one recipe a week. Make it early enough and you'll still have time to order a takeaway if it's a total disaster. Work out what you're going to cook in advance and the ingredients become a part of your weekly shop. Re the "weight" thing, I'm currently horribly overweight for similar, but non-life-threatening reasons. My right knee is buggered and has been for a long while, and now both hands appear to have come out in sympathy. I can't walk without a stick, and it now hurts to hold the stick. You couldn't bloody make it up.  As you may remember, my wife had a congenital heart problem, so I do know where you're coming from. Perhaps you could see if your Doc would refer you to a dietician; the things Jeanette had to avoid were not always obvious. Silly little things can help too, like (in her case) finding out that Sainsbury's "Butterlicious" was the healthiest spread for her, and Shredded Wheat is the healthiest breakfast cereal. A slow cooker (my favourite kitchen gadget) can be the healthiest way to cook meat. It takes a bit of investigation, but with the internet being the internet, the world is your lobster. |
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Post by Rexton on Jun 24, 2018 18:40:43 GMT
I always stick to the adage of "a little of what you fancy". I don't smoke, drink very little, try and eat as little red meat as possible, always try and eat fish or chicken. I bake my own bread and also trying to cut out caffine and milk. I still have some vices!
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. I also don’t have any blockages in my artaries or vains, my condition is actually damage to the physical heart (dilation) as opposed the more traditional heart related issues, i,e. heart attacks etc. due to blockages. 