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Post by Slinger on Apr 2, 2018 15:23:48 GMT
I'm looking at the Van Damme UP-LCOFC Hi-Fi series cable, which comes in several 'thicknesses' and I'm wondering if it's worth buying (if I do actually settle on this) 4mm over 2.5mm. The price differential is around 25% although with the length of the runs I'd need that's only just over a tenner. Still, why spend a tenner if I don't need to? That's the equivalent of 3 or 4 CDs from MusicMagpie. So Primare I21 amp, Epos 11 speakers, is it worth the extra 25%? p.s. - Yes, I know the "thicker is better" arguments, and they may well be true, but would my kit actually be able to exploit the difference? See, this is why I've always avoided hi-fi and bought music instead. I understand music.  p.p.s - For what it's worth and for them what understads it, these are the tech specs... | Description | Overall diameter | Weight
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Ohm/Km | | 2 x 2.5mm hi-fi | 12.00 x 4.00mm | 90 | 7 x (46 x 0.10mm) | 7.4 | | 2 x 4mm hi-fi | 14.00 x 5.00mm | 140 | 7 x (73 x 0.10mm) | 4.7 |
Whatever the outcome I'm interested in opinions and justifications on a purely throretical level, even if I don't buy the cable. |
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Post by MartinT on Apr 2, 2018 15:48:03 GMT
I would say it's probably marginal unless you have long runs or speakers capable of very deep bass.
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Post by MikeMusic on Apr 2, 2018 15:49:22 GMT
Specifically, no idea.
However the Coherent speaker cables I have are very good indeed and only around 6-7mm total thickness
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2018 16:16:01 GMT
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Post by julesd68 on Apr 2, 2018 16:38:11 GMT
I tried Van Damme 6mm - their thickest I believe. I was hoping for a bit more bass but didn't get any.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2018 16:53:35 GMT
They do at least two different ranges. The Tour Grade isn't very well thought of, but people seem to like the Hifi range. I seem to recall lots of discussion on AOS on these.
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Post by Slinger on Apr 2, 2018 17:23:13 GMT
They do at least two different ranges. The Tour Grade isn't very well thought of, but people seem to like the Hifi range. I seem to recall lots of discussion on AOS on these. It must be true because I read it on the internet - It seems that there was a 5-minute fad for 6mm Van Damme blue which was deemed the best bang-for-bucks speaker cable in the known universe, then the world turned and Van Damme black was better, and now both of those are crap but the "Hi-Fi" range is the bee's knees. 'Touring' I believe, fell through the gaps while all of this was happening. In the midst of all this Mark Grant apparently told a customer that there was no difference in SQ between the Blue and the Hi-Fi. And people wonder why I get confused?  |
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Post by Stratmangler on Apr 2, 2018 17:33:59 GMT
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Post by naim1425 on Apr 2, 2018 18:23:15 GMT
I still use nac 5
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Post by Chris on Apr 2, 2018 18:26:29 GMT
I tried 6mm cable and didn't like it. Seemed a bit coarse. I reckon 4mm is a nice midway point. But buy the stuff I rave about.
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Post by Greg on Apr 2, 2018 18:37:05 GMT
I now use Belden 5T00UP. Cheap as chips and the best cable I have ever had. Furthermore, I no longer bi-wire as it doesn’t improve the sound but simply doubles the capacitance. This cable is totally neutral bringing no colouration to the sound. The only problem I found was not being able to access short lengths anyware in the UK or EU. It has a very big following in USA where It is available from Blue Jeans. You have to pay duty on it but this is paid for at time of purchase and it takes just two days to arrive. Provided you avoid their terminations and just buy the bare wire, it remains very affordable. www.bluejeanscable.co.uk/store/speaker/index.htm |
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Post by Stratmangler on Apr 2, 2018 19:12:20 GMT
I tried 6mm cable and didn't like it. Seemed a bit coarse. I reckon 4mm is a nice midway point. But buy the stuff I rave about. So what was causing the mismatch the cable revealed? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2018 19:22:42 GMT
They do at least two different ranges. The Tour Grade isn't very well thought of, but people seem to like the Hifi range. I seem to recall lots of discussion on AOS on these. It must be true because I read it on the internet - It seems that there was a 5-minute fad for 6mm Van Damme blue which was deemed the best bang-for-bucks speaker cable in the known universe, then the world turned and Van Damme black was better, and now both of those are crap but the "Hi-Fi" range is the bee's knees. 'Touring' I believe, fell through the gaps while all of this was happening. In the midst of all this Mark Grant apparently told a customer that there was no difference in SQ between the Blue and the Hi-Fi. And people wonder why I get confused? You could always just use twin and earth mains wiring cable. It wasn't at all bad years ago when I tried it. Probably no fads anywhere for that......unless I've not read enough forums  |
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Post by Chris on Apr 2, 2018 19:24:21 GMT
Don't know. I tried it without changing anything else and I just wasn't keen. Best word to describe it is coarse - it seemed to lack detail. It was just cheap cable.
Not sure what you mean by the mismatch
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2018 19:29:14 GMT
Lots of people liking this. I'll have to try it next chance I get. |
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Post by Stratmangler on Apr 2, 2018 19:33:32 GMT
Not sure what you mean by the mismatch Just flipping the comment about coarseness on its head and looking from a different angle. In reality there is no definitive statement that can be made about anything with anyone's audio setup. A cable is a LCR filter. How your amp and speakers interact with it is one thing, and whether you subjectively like it is another. |
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Post by Slinger on Apr 2, 2018 19:48:39 GMT
Thanks for all of the good advice folks. I've got a few things at home to try before I think about buying something, like some Monster Z2R which is about the same thickness as some of those telecommunications cables under the Atlantic. I'm also bi-amping my primary system with NVA LS1 and LS3, so I can try swapping those into the new setup too, just to see how they sound and to find out how much my wallet may end up getting clobbered for.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2018 19:54:09 GMT
I'm looking at the Van Damme UP-LCOFC Hi-Fi series cable, which comes in several 'thicknesses' and I'm wondering if it's worth buying (if I do actually settle on this) 4mm over 2.5mm. The price differential is around 25% although with the length of the runs I'd need that's only just over a tenner. Still, why spend a tenner if I don't need to? That's the equivalent of 3 or 4 CDs from MusicMagpie. So Primare I21 amp, Epos 11 speakers, is it worth the extra 25%? p.s. - Yes, I know the "thicker is better" arguments, and they may well be true, but would my kit actually be able to exploit the difference? See, this is why I've always avoided hi-fi and bought music instead. I understand music. p.p.s - For what it's worth and for them what understads it, these are the tech specs... | Description | Overall diameter | Weight
Kg/km | Conductor
stranding | Conductor Resistance
Ohm/Km | | 2 x 2.5mm hi-fi | 12.00 x 4.00mm | 90 | 7 x (46 x 0.10mm) | 7.4 | | 2 x 4mm hi-fi | 14.00 x 5.00mm | 140 | 7 x (73 x 0.10mm) | 4.7 |
Whatever the outcome I'm interested in opinions and justifications on a purely throretical level, even if I don't buy the cable. Any idea what size the internal wiring is? If you have short speaker cable lengths, going much bigger than the internal stuff will be pretty pointless in my opinion. |
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Post by Slinger on Apr 2, 2018 20:11:11 GMT
Internal wiring? I'm not with you. Internal wiring in what?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2018 20:15:04 GMT
The speakers.
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