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Post by dvh on Feb 26, 2018 15:55:27 GMT
'Priced very well' could of course mean different things to the buyer and the seller.
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Post by The Brookmeister on Feb 26, 2018 16:09:46 GMT
It's priced very well for what it does, much better than other brands I could mention in my personal experience of using them all. £264 for 4 big pads - really? We must be living in parallel dimensions or something ... Its about performance versus price, we could all take a horse and cart to get to work but we don't, we drive cars and 100's of different models depending on what we can afford There are numerous support systems that are considerably more expensive and plenty that are cheaper Same old circular debates
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Post by julesd68 on Feb 26, 2018 16:28:04 GMT
£264 for 4 big pads - really? We must be living in parallel dimensions or something ... Its about performance versus price, we could all take a horse and cart to get to work but we don't, we drive cars and 100's of different models depending on what we can afford There are numerous support systems that are considerably more expensive and plenty that are cheaper Same old circular debates You *always* make the assumption David that those of us who choose not to spend large sums on these kind of products cannot afford them and it's really quite annoying. For what it's worth, if I wanted to I could equip everything on my rack with these but that's not the point - I base my decisions as to whether to buy not just on cost but also on my personal perception as to value for money. VFM of course means different things to different people.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2018 17:58:32 GMT
The small pads can be had for about a tenner each, second hand. Three can support an item. Big ones are better but you don't have to have deep pockets to try it.
I should keep quiet: I'm wanting to hoover up any used ones for myself!
edit: my ref to "deep pockets" reads like I made the same assumption. It was actually lazy-speak: I really meant that you don't need to make a big investment to try them. In fact, you would very easily move them on with no loss if you bought the little ones used.
BR brings improvements at a fundamental level. Music has more power, better timing and more a stable pitch. it just sounds less "electronic". Not an ideal way to convey meaning, but it's something you just know instantly to be better on a "foundation" level. Also, something you'd never give up once you've had it. Unlike cable or componnet changes, there is no possible downside, such as a change of tone or balance.
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Post by MikeMusic on Feb 26, 2018 21:13:07 GMT
I resisted BR for months. Tested everything I had and the one set of BR I had were always better on all kit. Cheapest supports I have seen are wooden cones MCRU does. They are a step up on nowt. Little blocks of wood might do. Old Black Ravioli next for me. Great Value for money has to be both Electric Beach and RDC. RDC come as 1. Cones. 2.Cones on bases 3. Cones on base on another base with sorbothane. RDC4 a 2 part RDC with sorbothane is their best I have tested Think Stillpoints next, the ones I have, not the Uber expensive, latest BR top of the lot. Super duper Stillpoints go up in price from BR and a reliable source tells me BR are better Also remember a weight on top of the kit helps sound quality. This may be because the supports are already there.
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Post by brian2957 on Feb 26, 2018 21:31:21 GMT
Electric Beach Rockin Rollers are excellent for sensible money . That's what I use .
I see Mark Grant still sells them .
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Post by steveeb on Feb 26, 2018 23:05:40 GMT
I can't believe the cost of these! (Yes, I know It's all relative). If I just wanted mechanical decoupling what's the cheapest way of doing this (besides squash balls cut in half)? Thanks. Blu Tack You did say cheapest, not best
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Post by zippy on Feb 27, 2018 9:16:33 GMT
I can't believe the cost of these! (Yes, I know It's all relative). If I just wanted mechanical decoupling what's the cheapest way of doing this (besides squash balls cut in half)? Thanks. Blu Tack You did say cheapest, not best If you want to save money I suggest loads of experimentation. In my experience different systems/units respond differently to different support - some best on squashy material (sorbothane etc) some best on hard (granite etc). Some like to have added weight, some don't. You may even hit on something better for your system than the costly products.
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Post by MartinT on Feb 27, 2018 10:13:11 GMT
BR brings improvements at a fundamental level. Music has more power, better timing and more a stable pitch. it just sounds less "electronic". I agree with that description. BR makes a component sound more musical. RDC Cones are a fine lesser component and improve a lot on standard feet. I personally don't like Stillpoints except for the LPI record weight.
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Post by steveeb on Feb 27, 2018 11:18:55 GMT
If you want to save money I suggest loads of experimentation. In my experience different systems/units respond differently to different support - some best on squashy material (sorbothane etc) some best on hard (granite etc). Some like to have added weight, some don't. You may even hit on something better for your system than the costly products. Totally agree. I would add the importance of considering the accumulative effect of these 'tweaks' in balancing a system. A difference and isolated improvement is not necessarily a system improvement, as playing a wide range of recordings will often show (e.g. good ones now sound better but lesser ones are unlistenable). Adding one tweak after another doesn't lead inexorably to better performance. I have always liked the Mark Grant G100HD interconnects in my set up for the body they impart to the sound. I use an Oppo 103 as a file player, which has thin, light casework. If I put my Rockin' Rollers underneath and a wooden weight on top I can easily hear the effect of this damping but there's a loss of detail. Changing to a different interconnect brings this back in line, but the naked Oppo/ Mark Grant combo is the more consistent result over a wider range of music. I think the Black Ravioli justify their price because they give very real and fundamental desirable improvements without skewing frequency balance or other caveats, which makes them a powerful tool in system balancing. I always imagine that most electronics were developed and measured on a solid workbench and made to a price. While it's easy to make a bit of kit sound different, the best results are usually achieved when resonance control is included and considered in the design process. Another issue is that conscious comparison and evaluation is a right brain activity and emotional response a thoughtless process. All too easy to work on the sonic presentation and lose the musical connection.
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Post by bencat on Feb 15, 2024 13:51:23 GMT
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Post by MartinT on Feb 15, 2024 14:37:21 GMT
They are the original BR Pads. I've never tried them - if anyone has, please comment.
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Post by MikeMusic on Feb 15, 2024 14:57:47 GMT
Avoid the Mk1 RDC cones much better
That's expensive anyway
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Post by Slinger on Feb 15, 2024 15:20:24 GMT
Perhaps if you put one of the older small Raviolis under each corner of the new Big Pads...
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Post by nicholas on Feb 15, 2024 16:48:22 GMT
They are the original BR Pads. I've never tried them - if anyone has, please comment. Last year I succumbed to a great deal on 32 of these original BR pads and was not disappointed. They occupy the space beneath each foot of each piece of gear on my rack. I noticed a distinctive focus of imaging that I would not want to be without.
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Post by John on Feb 15, 2024 17:28:07 GMT
You used to be able to get them a good bit cheaper. Like Martin I never used them.
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Post by MikeMusic on Feb 15, 2024 18:23:13 GMT
Perhaps if you put one of the older small Raviolis under each corner of the new Big Pads... You can stack them for improvement, preferably glued RDC cones with the cups and bases are stupid VFM Just realised £34 each ! That's insane
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Post by bencat on Feb 15, 2024 18:45:57 GMT
No it is £34 for a set of four and then cheaper if you buy more than one set .
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Post by MikeMusic on Feb 15, 2024 21:26:05 GMT
My mistake !
A set of RDC cones will outperform them noticeably Add cups underneath and the bases at any time later and even better
I may have sets to spare
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Post by MartinT on Feb 15, 2024 21:36:59 GMT
Non-BR Big Pad Plus wibble moved here.
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