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Post by John on Jan 15, 2016 5:08:09 GMT
Interesting to hear that they are making a big difference even with the P10
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Post by MartinT on Jan 15, 2016 6:18:48 GMT
TonyC and I conducted an experiment a while ago, using his 'special' filter in front of my P10, feeding it. The change in sound quality was amazing. It taught me that even a regenerator is affected by dirty mains which, if you think about it, is just a giant amplifier and subject to a similar PSRR.
So if you feed a regenerator with mains as clean as possible, then it works better. That was a simple and very audible lesson for me. My approach now is two-pronged: keep my house mains as clean as possible; use the regenerator to rebuild the waveform as close to purity as possible.
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Post by John on Jan 15, 2016 8:49:56 GMT
Yes I can believe that
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Post by MartinT on Jan 15, 2016 12:25:41 GMT
Mains Treatment Roster
Mains Sockets The Missing Link unswitched double silver plated
Passive Plug-in Shunt Filters Vertex AQ Jaya PS Audio Harvester x 2 Isotek Isoplug Isotek EVO3 Isoplug Russ Andrews Silencer Kemp Elektroniks SNS PLUG Sercal No Noise SE Tacima SC5723 x 2
Feed Through Filters ASC PP1 feeding APC CS500 UPS, then PC Isotek Mira feeding TV, Sky, Blu-ray ancillaries
Regenerator PS Audio Power Plant P10
Power Cables Coherent 6D & 5D MCRU No. 9
Fuses Synergistic Research SR Red
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Post by MikeMusic on Jan 15, 2016 12:37:40 GMT
Plus a Missing Link socket ?
And there are those that say mains doesn't make any difference. Only enough to take the breath away
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Post by MartinT on Jan 15, 2016 13:37:15 GMT
Plus a Missing Link socket ? And there are those that say mains doesn't make any difference. Only enough to take the breath away Thanks - forgot that so editing it in.
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Post by MartinT on Jan 18, 2016 7:52:44 GMT
I noticed last night that with 10 plug-in filters cleaning my mains, a PS Audio Harvester that I placed in the kitchen so that I can see it was still flashing its LED about once per second, indicating that noise was still being cleaned. You can't have too many mains filters!
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Post by MikeMusic on Jan 18, 2016 7:56:36 GMT
I have a few Russ Andrews Purifiers. Not filters ?
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Post by MartinT on Jan 18, 2016 8:13:18 GMT
I have a few Russ Andrews Purifiers. Not filters ? Yes they are filters, otherwise they wouldn't do anything. Do you have the stand-alone plug-in type or built into a distribution strip/block?
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Post by MikeMusic on Jan 18, 2016 13:13:08 GMT
Stand alones in use
Purifier blocks not in use which I should sell
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Post by MartinT on Jan 18, 2016 15:05:53 GMT
Good. Spread them around the ring main powering the hi-fi system.
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Post by MikeMusic on Jan 18, 2016 21:24:20 GMT
I will
An interesting test for the weekend
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Post by MartinT on Jan 30, 2016 11:01:58 GMT
I have one more PS Audio Harvester coming from eBay USA as it looks like they've been discontinued. I put them where I can see them as they are such a useful indicator of noise. On most evenings they remain dark; on some, they flash continuously indicating a lot of noise coming into the house. I also upgraded my PC recently to a NUC-style Gigabyte BRIX and took the opportunity to re-route everything PC based through my APC UPS. Since all the accessories use plug-style SMPS, which are horribly noisy, I snap-choked them all to death (using TDK snap-chokes in various sizes) and put a couple on the master feed to the UPS, with the Kemp SNS-PLUG next to it. That should take care of that!
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Post by MartinT on Jan 30, 2016 11:10:20 GMT
Last night I replaced my main interconnect from preamp to power amp with an NVA TIS. Despite apparently small improvements in all areas over the Yannis 222 ConnectLitz, the sum effect is much greater than the parts. Music has more vibrancy, the acoustic space is more audible and everything is remarkably transparent and clear. Dynamics are stronger and the bass is particularly extended and tight. A really great cable that didn't (quite) break the bank.
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Post by dsjr on Jan 30, 2016 11:31:42 GMT
Those cable ferrites are very cheap in comparison with all the other stuff you use Martin and as such I think anyone could usefully try them and sell them on if the 'effect' was inaudible or not as required.
Another silly anecdote... I've owned for twenty two (EEK!!) years, a Micro Seiki CD-M2 CD player, which is the same heavy cast chassis as the Marantz CD94, but with a second analogue board (with earthing and wiring alterations on the main board to accommodate it) offering balanced outputs (same chips but film caps as well as balanced output transformers). The original analogue outputs are still there via posh looking phono sockets on the back panel. Micro Seiki supplied a set of XLR to Phono cables and using these from the transformer coupled XLR outputs gives a much better 3-D sound output usually, than the slightly 'closed in' sound via the phono sockets. My first experience of using clip-on ferrites was on a 'Chord Solid' interconnect from the phono outputs, both into my AVI S2000MP+P preamp, which had a useful bandwidth out to 300k or so.
Cutting this long tale short, the 'Solid' interconnects on their own from the standard output, weren't as good as the supplied XLR to phono M-S cables, but with a ferrite clipped on each one, the friend who showed me and I, thought the differences far less between them. The conclusion was that the output transformers were filtering off any nasties in the audio feed - that TDA1541 based chip-set may be revered today, but they're bloody noisy in a high-frequency electrical sense I believe - mains too. needless to say I still use the Roxburgh 6A mains filters I bought years ago on my digital sources and really ought to use one on the workroom PC as it's on all day usually and used as a music source....
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Post by MikeMusic on Jan 30, 2016 12:22:18 GMT
I have one more PS Audio Harvester coming from eBay USA as it looks like they've been discontinued. What sort of money do customs take ?
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Post by MartinT on Jan 30, 2016 12:26:51 GMT
I bought from here and the duty/VAT are inclusive.
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Post by MikeMusic on Jan 30, 2016 12:30:38 GMT
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Post by MartinT on Jan 30, 2016 12:34:49 GMT
Those cable ferrites are very cheap in comparison with all the other stuff you use Martin and as such I think anyone could usefully try them and sell them on if the 'effect' was inaudible or not as required. I am more than ever convinced that killing noise to benefit your system's sound quality is a holistic whole-house exercise. You need to kill it in a distributed way, and at source (e.g. around PCs) and into your system itself. I have a wonderfully low noise floor which at night allows me to peer deep into a recording. It's taken some time to get here.
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Post by MartinT on Jan 30, 2016 12:36:06 GMT
Yes indeed, I look for the Global Shipping Programme when buying through eBay USA.
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