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Post by MikeMusic on Sept 13, 2015 7:39:12 GMT
Now to something quite a lot more foo sounding but also a product I've heard about for a while, the SPEC RSP-501EX Real-Sound Processors. These should cause some stirring among the members and, frankly, I don't know what to expect! Certainly has the sound of magic quantum crystals about it
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Post by MartinT on Sept 13, 2015 10:56:57 GMT
So, these SPEC RSP-501EX Real-Sound Processor things. The Japlish on the website offers little insight, but Tony explained it better in discussion as countering the back-EMF created by the driver voice-coils. I then compared it with the KEF crossovers of a couple of decades ago where they had tried to create a steady resistive load without any reactance. He agreed and apparently they took some research from the same chap, Mr Ishimi. So there is more than foo to the idea and with some degree of interest I tried them. Connecting up is easy enough with a short run of cable to the 4mm sockets in my mid/treble speaker terminals (which are jumpered from the bass terminals with Coherent BD spade jumpers). The units are passive and require no power connection. After playing a selection of my favourites, I can describe their effect as removing some midrange glare and darkening the image. Nothing is missing and in fact detail stands proud due to the higher contrast. Imagine an oil paining with a glossy surface and some light pollution shining on it. Now spray it with a matt finish and look again. The glare is reduced and it's much easier to see the detail and shades of colour, right? It appears darker but more of the painting is evident. This seems to be what's happening aurally. I tried one of my favourite CDs Damien Rice - 'O' (featuring the lovely Lisa Hannigan). The opening song delicate is a fantastic test of system resolution and dynamics. At the start, the opening guitar is very quiet and the studio space and tiny tics can be clearly heard. As the song progresses, the side drum has some serious welly and Damien's voice rises to a climax with background violins in a suddenly dense mix. Get this track wrong and it sounds a muddled blur of a mess at the peaks when you set the volume to hear the intro clearly. Reproduce it well and all the detail comes through, the dynamic swing from quiet to loud is breathtaking and things never fall apart when things get going and Damien lets rip. So my early conclusion is that the SPECs do something to alter replay, and that something is to remove a layer of glare and allow further insight into the music while overall slightly darkening the presentation. It's a subtle effect and it isn't going to rescue a poor system. This is icing for an already well resolving and well setup system. I have yet to ask the price so I guess I had better do so! I note there is now an enhanced model called the RSP-901EX.
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Post by ChrisB on Sept 13, 2015 11:03:14 GMT
I understand some people have noted a slight loss of attack as another trade off with some systems in which these have been used Martin. Have you noted this at all?
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Post by MartinT on Sept 13, 2015 11:04:32 GMT
Nope, quite the contrary as with the side drum in the track described above. Of course, it's going to be very amplifier and speaker dependent. I shall keep listening and report back.
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Post by MartinT on Sept 14, 2015 18:38:12 GMT
Ok, I've made a big decision. The Chord is going! It has been beaten fairly and squarely in every meaningful way, listening to a lot of different musical genres. So I am ordering:
- Belles SA-100 amplifier in silver finish - Coherent 6D 2.5m pair speaker cables (4mm plugs) - Coherent BD jumpers (spades) - SPEC RSP-901EX Real Sound Processors
Tony is kindly taking the Chord in part-exchange.
I can't wait to get my own components and try the 901EX which is apparently an appreciable step up from the excellent 501EX.
Did I mention that my system sounds wonderful at the moment?
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Post by ChrisB on Sept 14, 2015 18:48:25 GMT
Wow, you're going for the full bifta!
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Post by John on Sept 14, 2015 18:51:10 GMT
Way to go.... that is a serious amount of new kit Martin
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2015 19:52:20 GMT
You've certainly had your money's worth from the Chord. If the Belles stay with you as long, it's by no means a bad investment. Lovely looking amps too, which I know shouldn't count, but try telling my eyes that!
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Post by Sovereign on Sept 14, 2015 21:29:26 GMT
Fantastic Martin
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Post by julesd68 on Sept 14, 2015 21:45:08 GMT
Well you've given the Belles a thorough work-out Martin, so you must be making the right decision - enjoy!
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Post by MartinT on Sept 14, 2015 21:51:37 GMT
Thanks for your thoughts, guys. I certainly didn't do this lightly, and you're right, Andrew, I've had my money's worth and the rest from the Chord.
Photos to come when it's all installed.
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Post by ChrisB on Sept 14, 2015 22:08:05 GMT
Do you still have both amps in the house? Do they by chance have similar voltage gain? If so, while they are both there, you owe it to yourself to see what happens if you bi-amp your speakers!!
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Post by MartinT on Sept 15, 2015 6:09:37 GMT
Yes and yes. However, powering them both is problematic (all my regenerator sockets are taken, and the Chord uses a 16A connector, and they won't both reach easily) and the speaker cables are different.
I don't think I'd learn a lot, to be honest. They are each capable of powering my speakers to thunderous levels and I'd be splitting their attributes.
More interestingly, how will a brand new latest spec Belles sound (the loaner is a very early sample), how will shorter speaker leads improve performance (I've ordered 2.5m, the loaners are 4m), and how will the RSP-901EX improve over the 501EX?
Also, how will the Yannis 222.5 ConnectLitz WBT0110Ag cable sound compared with the Coherent 6D loan interconnect?
These are all questions to be answered!
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Post by ChrisB on Sept 15, 2015 6:16:42 GMT
The bi-amping experiment is something that I simply wouldn't be able to resist as I would want to see whether the result could seem greater than the sum of its parts.
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Post by John on Sept 15, 2015 6:42:29 GMT
Maybe when Tony swaps over the amps it might be worth a try. Personally I not do it, if I hear a significant upgrade I am never satisfied until I achieved it
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Post by ChrisB on Sept 15, 2015 7:00:46 GMT
Bi-amping the way I do makes my ML-11 a better amp when it isn't doing bass. This arrangement is much better than the ML-9 working full range even though that is a better amp. Of course two ML-9s would probably be even better but there's no spare cash for that at the mo' (one sold on Ebay last week for a piffling£700).
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Post by MikeMusic on Sept 15, 2015 8:19:32 GMT
Ok, I've made a big decision. The Chord is going! It has been beaten fairly and squarely in every meaningful way, listening to a lot of different musical genres. So I am ordering: - Belles SA-100 amplifier in silver finish - Coherent 6D 2.5m pair speaker cables (4mm plugs) - Coherent BD jumpers (spades) - SPEC RSP-901EX Real Sound Processors Tony is kindly taking the Chord in part-exchange. I can't wait to get my own components and try the 901EX which is apparently an appreciable step up from the excellent 501EX. Did I mention that my system sounds wonderful at the moment? Wow the Chord really is going..... moment of silence....... Point of order Mr.Chairmaa When will you do the right thing and buy some black kit ? You know it sounds better And of course the trading under false pretences. That avatar.........
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Post by MartinT on Sept 15, 2015 8:22:37 GMT
I did seriously contemplate acquiring another Chord. However, I subscribe to the Jacques Mahul (he of JM Lab) principle that one good amplifier or one good speaker cable is always better than two of lesser quality. For this reason, I stopped bi-amping and bi-wiring a long time ago.
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Post by MartinT on Sept 15, 2015 9:50:19 GMT
When will you do the right thing and buy some black kit ? You know it sounds better And of course the trading under false pretences. That avatar......... LOL, yes, I guess the avatar will have to change. No-one will recognise me any more :-( As for black, a black Belles amp sitting among all that lovely silver kit would look horrible.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2015 10:26:46 GMT
From my perspective if I were to use a couple of amplifiers on Martin's speakers my choice would be to mono block them, that way each speaker get an amplifier to its self each performing full range duties. It would also negate the need for extra speaker cables and interconnects which in my experience reduces the possibility of phase issues being introduced.
multi amplifying can certainly be impressive (if implemented correctly) though careful crossover and amplifier matching required to achieve this. Mono blocks in the vast majority of cases just sound more correct (imho)
Besides would you really want or need 200+watts on the mid range and tweeter's, unless you were trying to recreate that California Jam in your front room!
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