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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2017 12:57:54 GMT
Then explain to me why my 12" singles sound so fantastic? Because the 45rpm speed is capable of greater dynamic range and more extended bass if the grooves are more widely spaced. But as Clive says, not all 12" singles sound great. So the reason why a new Re-Issue of a Depeche Mode LP i just bought also sounds fantastic on the Record player that apparently is not up to the job! This is precisly why i dont entertain Hi-Fi forums any more.
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Post by MartinT on Jun 4, 2017 13:05:34 GMT
I just don't hear what you're saying, that old issue vinyl sounds poor. It doesn't, even if it can't achieve the levels of dynamics and bass of a 12" single. Take one example: Black Sabbath s/t. I have an early pressing and it sounds superb. I don't have any later pressings, or 12" singles, to compare with, but I don't need to. It's a great recording, well mastered for its time. It's full of energy and visceral.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2017 13:36:41 GMT
A lot of new vinyl albums are double 45 rpm. That should satisfy Andre. 45 rpm vinyl certainly has an extra dimension when done properly. There is such variation in mastering that it is hard to generalise. Some records don't sound great no matter how good a deck they are played on. The good ones outperform any CD version. Vinyl and CD versions usually do sound tonally similar but there are differences in presentation and detail retrieval that mostly favour vinyl playback. Also too many modern CDs suffer from a louder more compressed mastering than the vinyl counterpart. As an aside just played the new Thea Gilmore vinyl and it's an excellent sounding double 45 rpm. I also have the new Roger Waters but not opened it yet.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2017 14:42:19 GMT
I just don't hear what you're saying, that old issue vinyl sounds poor. It doesn't, even if it can't achieve the levels of dynamics and bass of a 12" single. Take one example: Black Sabbath s/t. I have an early pressing and it sounds superb. I don't have any later pressings, or 12" singles, to compare with, but I don't need to. Example: Hatter pressing of Genesis 'Foxtrot' dreadfully compressed & dull sounding, Recent Vinyl re-issue which is most probably the same source as the CD's. Sounds totally different. Now this compressed dullness is apparent on a lot of Prog albums i had which was not there on CD, which as i said the LP's are medicore sounding in comparison. Not my flaming record deck.
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Post by MartinT on Jun 4, 2017 15:38:44 GMT
Yes, old Genesis pressings were not the best.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2017 16:23:28 GMT
But the latter CD was not which brings to my argument the LP pressing are tripe & this counts for a lot of LP's i had.
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Post by MartinT on Jun 4, 2017 16:57:34 GMT
It's too variable. I have lots of good ones like the Sabbath, too.
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Post by The Brookmeister on Jun 4, 2017 20:22:21 GMT
Who does? I do, compared to Lossless files i have, Vinyl is a very medicore comparison, however i cannot live with listening to Digital.. so i put up with the vinyl playback. I have got rid of a hell of a lot of LP's this last year because i feel i listen to music less & less. I think it depends on what you are playing your vinyl? When I put a black slab on the deck it takes me to a special place that other forms of music playback (R2R excluded) cannot match. The very best digital systems (and I have heard many) just cannot beat vinyl for shear emotional connection which after all is what its all about. The Chord DAVE is touted as one of the best DAC's on the planet, bland and boring is my opinion. The companies who continue to try and make digital sound like analogue are wasting their time.
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Post by MartinT on Jun 4, 2017 21:00:19 GMT
The very best digital systems (and I have heard many) just cannot beat vinyl for shear emotional connection which after all is what its all about. . . The companies who continue to try and make digital sound like analogue are wasting their time. I disagree. I get plenty of emotional connection from digital done well. The only thing I want digital to sound like is the real thing.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2017 3:50:50 GMT
Absolutely no connection what so ever to digital. Boring & drains the life from the hobby. Like Brookie says its the emotional connection & also the important thing for me the rigmarole of putting the record on, the smell & everything that comes with it. Its as much that as it is listening.
Ive always said Digital is for convenience & kids, Analogue is for serious enthusiasts.
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Post by Mr Whippy on Jun 5, 2017 11:27:27 GMT
Vinyl on the TD125 yesterday... 24bit flac files on my Korus server this morning and reissued Floyd CD's on the Roksan DP1/DA1 transport/DAC this afternoon... all sound good to me, some are more convenient, but I'm happy to embrace all formats and simply enjoy the music What do you think of the Roksan combo? I've just got a transport working. Thought you mentioned being inside yours, but can't find it. Need a DAC now.
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Post by orbscure on Jun 5, 2017 12:09:16 GMT
It was sounding very nice indeed, but later in the session it appeared to develope an issue with reading discs and was replaced with my Primare CD31. Fortunately, I was able to pick up a NOS ROK laser via eBay in the US, so I'll be having another tinker and possibly fitting that if needed when it arrives. With regards the DA-1 DAC is optional DS-1 PSU, I've not seen any of either pop up for sale anywhere.
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Post by Mr Whippy on Jun 5, 2017 20:06:47 GMT
There was two DA1 DACs on eBay a few weeks ago. One was working and the other was faulty. Can't remember seeing any previously. Missed the faulty one fiddling with something. Went for near £100, I think.
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Post by orbscure on Jun 6, 2017 8:24:22 GMT
If your planning on keeping the DP1, I'd recommend grabbing one of the NOS lasers listed on US eBay. Better to be safe than sorry and for around £45 delivered, its a no brainer, even if you were to sell the transport on
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Post by Mr Whippy on Jun 6, 2017 9:14:06 GMT
The seller mentioned that he had had the laser replaced before it stopped working. So, not sure. Is this what you mean: It doesn't give a picture of the item. The original was a Sanyo SF-90 with 5 and 6 pin connections. There are various other pin connections. When this was getting difficult to source, Roksan started to use the SF-91 as a replacement. When they had a forum, I remember someone saying their DP-1 had a replacement SF-91 laser fitted, but it didn't sound as good as with the original SF-90 laser. Really pleased to get it working. I did come across one engineer that was less than impressed with the innards. I'll have a look for it. Here it is:
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Post by orbscure on Jun 6, 2017 12:50:40 GMT
Yep, that's the laser I've ordered and the seller assures me it'll fit my DP-1. As for the lack/quality of the innards, as I've posted previously (see the link below) there is embarrassingly little hidden away under the fancy space age case: theaudiostandard.net/post/88777However, when connected to the DA1 DAC/DS1 PSU or my Chord Hugo TT, its sounds damn nice... and is at least as good as my Primare CD31...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 13:09:14 GMT
Currently I think my Vinyl source is better than my digital source, which is religious considering the significant difference in the cost. I prefer the warmth of the Vinyl. The Digital probably has more detail and certainly sounds tighter, but it is just not as nice to listen to for extended periods of time. However, I am generally lazy and use the digital source as primary as a result
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Post by Mr Whippy on Jun 6, 2017 13:19:46 GMT
Yep, that's the laser I've ordered and the seller assures me it'll fit my DP-1. As for the lack/quality of the innards, as I've posted previously (see the link below) there is embarrassingly little hidden away under the fancy space age case: theaudiostandard.net/post/88777However, when connected to the DA1 DAC/DS1 PSU or my Chord Hugo TT, its sounds damn nice... and is at least as good as my Primare CD31... I knew I'd seen some mention of it. Does yours open and and shut pretty snappy? I'd prefer it a bit slower. There's a couple of pots on the small board for the door marked "Open" and "Close".
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Post by orbscure on Jun 6, 2017 13:38:15 GMT
I suppose it does open and close with a sharp action, but it makes one hell of a non-CD type racket. Silky, smooth and silent are three words which certainly don't make up any part of its vocabulary
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