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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2018 16:15:23 GMT
All interesting stuff. Regarding audiofool fuses I will always be a sceptic. Never the less, I do acknowledge that different fuses make a difference. A while back when I was using World Audio Design kit I built myself, once the amplifier had been proved to be absolutely safe, I and some others introduced an internal amp mains fuse of a higher value, such as moving from the recommended 1.6A fuse to something like a 3.6 or even a 5A option. I went 5A. What I and others found was that the higher rated fuses in the amplifier caused the sound performance to become more solid, authoratitive, filling out the sound stage better. Overall, the sound had more slam in the right sort of way. All the fuses used were bog standard slow blow versions readily available from RS, Farnell and Maplins. I have moved on from when I tried this, but my experience really does beg the question of whether no fuse and a bar or soldered link would sound even better. I have read that if your system is fed from an individual radial spur directly from your RCD consumer unit, none of your equipment down the line requires any mains plug fuses. They are apparently redundant. If that is true and if my findings are correct, surely fitting a soldered wire link or a copper bar across the plug fuse fittings is the way to go? Alternatively, use 15A round pin fuseless plugs and sockets. That’ll stop the Mrs plugging in the vacuum cleaner! Whoops, forgot, I do the vacuuming. Personally I’ve not tried any of this but I will be exploring the possibility further particularly as my system is fed with an over spec’d radial supply. Currently I use a balanced mains supply. At certain times of the day the mains became audibly noisy and measurable. Yes, I measured it, Richard. I introduced a DC blocking circuit which sorted out the noise and it’s presence did not impact on sound quality. It seems to me that the best option here is to start with education. Learn the facts. Then you know what to do. I have little doubt that Martin has experienced an improvement to sound after fitting these blue fuses. I question whether actually, considering his set up he could make even better gains by doing things a bit differently along the lines I have suggested. Finally, if you read the foo on the website for those audiofool fuses, how can any intelligent person conclude it is reality? Far to much pseudo science bullshit IMHO. I would go along with this as I found slight improvement in changing 5A for 13A fuse on a CD player. Likely because the link is thicker wire for a higher rating. This does not explain perceived improvements swapping standard 13A for 13A audiofool designs. When people change things that cost a lot they like to convince themselves there is a significant change. I think the psychology in this is worth a separate discussion. Have you tried them? If not then, like me you shouldn’t comment until you have. |
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Post by pinkie on Jan 28, 2018 18:21:59 GMT
I should have known someone would make a foo circuit breaker. And I could have guessed it would be RA. Given modern regs require rcd protection I expect they do rcds and rcbo's too
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2018 10:38:46 GMT
Has anybody tried the smaller equipment fuses?
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Post by TheMooN on Jan 29, 2018 12:20:25 GMT
Yes,
I have just replaced the 20x5 mil 4.0A power rail fuse in my ARC Ref10 pre amplifier with an SR Blue fuse, let the equipment run for 3 hours before sitting down to run through my half dozen reference recordings that I invariably use to evaluate other equipment and my own system changes.
I was entirely conversant with the replay of those recordings on my system prior to the change of fuse.
Every definable element of those recordings, Macro and Micro, tonality, texture, sound stage, imaging and in particularl the inflection, phrasing and humanity of the human voice was significantly enhanced by an easily perceived margin.
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Post by MartinT on Jan 29, 2018 12:55:43 GMT
Has anybody tried the smaller equipment fuses? I have a 20mm SR Red in my P10 regenerator (rear panel), which gave gains over the standard glass fuse supplied as standard. I'm waiting for a 20mm Blue to arrive to swap in. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2018 13:09:14 GMT
Greg actually made a good point, the pseudoscience explanations that are attached to these types of products do conjure all forms of WTF looks and questions, which is fair enough.
It should be quite simple to sell these without the usually suspects applying the ex BBC engineer mentality to every possible issue.
A simple money back guarantee is all that is required, it either works for individual using it or they get their money back verbatim.
Personally I have over 14 different fuses from various companies pro-porting to deliver the moon on a stick, however they all have an effect, some more so than others, which one is best, only the individual using them can tell you that.
This is more of a case of how do you like your coffee?
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Post by MartinT on Jan 29, 2018 13:20:47 GMT
Well indeed Tony, the foo explanations can't necessarily be taken seriously and I've said all along that they need to be tried as no amount of thinking is going to conclude anything meaningful about them.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2018 13:26:30 GMT
Personally I have over 14 different fuses from various companies pro-porting to deliver the moon on a stick, however they all have an effect, some more so than others, which one is best, only the individual using them can tell you that. This is more of a case of how do you like your coffee? Now if I could fit one to my coffee machine and it gave me better coffee I would be happy! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2018 13:34:11 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2018 14:00:16 GMT
Can I make a radical suggestion?
If you've put significant time into posting to debunk fuses in this thread or anywhere else, you'd have spent less time and effort in ordering a fuse, trying it and sending it back if you so wish. You'd also have spent the same amount of money (ie nothing) unless you had decided the improvements offered were worthwhile.
There's no point arguing about why something can't make a difference to the sound, because for some people it already has. Your experience may or may not differ, but you won't find the answer to that by quoting theory. If you don't feel sufficiently motivated to try, how can you muster the energy to argue with someone who has?
I've seen this same thing so many times on every forum. It's almost always cable, isolation or fuses which are the subject of such division. If people were simply happy not to challenge what someone else hears, it would save a lot of argument.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2018 14:19:38 GMT
Who is arguing?
I find the subject fascinating. How can something so small in the chain make such a difference?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2018 15:28:05 GMT
Plenty argument so far just here, let alone anywhere else. As to how something so small can make a difference, I don't personally care about "how". Same as I don't care about whether or not it does for somebody else. I'd only care whether it did for me. If I cared sufficiently to find out in this instance, I'd order one.
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Post by MartinT on Jan 29, 2018 15:49:43 GMT
How can something so small in the chain make such a difference? It's mind boggling whenever I think about it. |
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Post by The Brookmeister on Jan 29, 2018 16:10:23 GMT
There are plenty of other accessories besides fuses that make instant sonic improvements so fuses are only a small part of it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2018 16:15:10 GMT
Yep, remember the usual crowd getting all red in the face about USB cables? I guess I'm happy to be a subjectivist because I have no desire to control other people. Life gives you enough things to manage in your own little world without needing to manage other people's choices too.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2018 16:26:11 GMT
Certain things amuse me highly, make me laugh out loud so to speak, makes a change these days as I am grumpier than ever usually. When I see a long thread about fuses (let's face it these discussions have gone on forever and are oh so boring) I always skip to what the non believers (either because they cannot afford the fuse, have no hifi at all and are just on the forum because they have nothing better to do or simply like a good argument) have to say. Hi-Fi is about using your ears, its not emotionally involving watching a cd player light up or your turntable spinning, its listening that stirs the emotions. So if Mr A or Mr B has spent £90 on a fuse, fits it and is more emotionally involved with the music because of it and goddamn it he/she actually ENJOYS THEMSELVES more as a result who gives a fl...g f..k how the thing measures and why it does what it does. Rant over. Just gone back to the OP of this thread: All I can say is I wish we had an applause emoticon! |
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Post by dsjr on Jan 29, 2018 17:08:54 GMT
Thing is, some of us oldies have been through all this stuff decades ago, thought they heard a difference and then upgraded key system components getting a much more beneficial and permanent improved result! I've DONE the fuse thing, admittedly not with the fuse under discussion, but now, in many respects I'm getting a better low-level sound than I was back then, even when I owned some then-serious big ATC active monitors which blew away most expensive domestic 'bling-systems' at the time, if not at lower volumes... As long as I don't play very loud (can't these days anyway) I'm getting musical and acceptable 'sonic' results so I can suspend disbelief.. See, I don't want a better stereo, I'd just like a better room in which to play it as two pairs of my current speakers sounded so much better in a different room than I can get them to sound here, sadly - and no bloody fuse on this planet will improve room acoustics...
For me and with a hundred quid to play with, I'd rather see how good or not the Q Acoustics speakers available from richer Sounds really are. Loads of modern technology in a great looking and improved structurally modern stand-mount package that may well sound really good with capable gear - or they may sound garbage for all I know.... Gawd I miss not being in a dem room with loads of goodies to compare...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2018 17:20:09 GMT
No chance of you stepping back into hifi retail then? Even if it was just at weekends, I bet there would be plenty of people interested in having someone with your experience, Even a Richer Sounds would give you the chance to play with some bits of kit,
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Post by dsjr on Jan 29, 2018 17:48:31 GMT
No chance these days in a UK-dead industry. My very local dealer is a Naim/Focal/Kudos dealer, the gear making terrible sounds even by my standards when I heard it all recently at a local show they put on, a far cheaper Rega system trouncing them in all sonic and important musical areas I thought, as well as a silly-money Levinson/JBL system they had which brought tears to my eyes it was so encompassing in a visceral sense and I'm not talking about mere 'sonics' either. I'm too old and far too opinionated/experienced/daft now just to flog boxes to people and most Top End dealers are selling to established 'converted' customers - for example, they want a Naim with Neat, overpriced cheaper PMC profit-boxes or Kudos whatever and who cares if something far cheaper is better, it'd only confuse them and they'd walk away without buying. let alone listening to anything remotely different, such is the mindset of these people. I might do ok at Richer Sounds though, as the staff are generally helpful, some of what they sell can be made to sound rather good in basic terms and nothing they sell has any pretentions to grandeur, let alone a need for fancy fuses Nearest Richer is hours' drive away. If we/I end up moving from the coast this year, one of them might be workable as a sideline option, we'll see... See, I told you I'd be no good these days :lol: But I do look back to my late 70's days in the West End with some fondness, the crap obviously there as well being rather muted by memory now... |
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Post by pinkie on Jan 31, 2018 10:13:31 GMT
I need more help with this mains installation, so that my system can resolve detail information (which apparently it doesn't just now) I've looked in Russ Andrews, and there are audiophile MCB's But on the left of each rail, that device is an RCD of approriate rating and surge for the devices on the rail - any ideas where?  Consumer unit Then at the point the mains enters the house, there is the main RCD to protect the TT installation - audiophile options?  RCD Now it gets trickier, since I need EDF approved versions of these - they are behind tamper-proof tags on the supply box in the road This is the main RCD protecting the cable from EDF to the house - I can find no audiophile versions, but its right at the start of all the electricity coming into the house, so crucial to my resolution of detail  20180131_105321Well, not quite right at the start. Behind the top white box are a couple of cartridge fuses, one for phase and one for neutral, about the size of 12 bore shotgun cartridges. Drawn a complete blank on audiophile versions of these  20180131_105327 Guess I'm doomed to keep missing that elusive resolution...  |
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