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Post by Eduardo Wobblechops on Sept 3, 2016 11:25:43 GMT
Yes can't argue with that. Silver done well is better than anything else I've heard. Can sound poor though if not top quality.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2016 11:30:52 GMT
That is so true, but it is not as simple as wrapping it in electrical tape, shame but true.
Now of to a BBQ and Jazz yipeee Have good weekend chaps.
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Post by Chris on Sept 3, 2016 14:30:56 GMT
I agree with Martins earlier point - that speaker cable I go on about is a very high spec silver plated item and nothing sounds better between my valves and my ANKs. Not really done enough comparisons to compare properly but I certainly agree these things are component dependant.
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Post by Eduardo Wobblechops on Sept 3, 2016 16:28:13 GMT
Aye it's good stuff Chris, use it myself. Bought another length to try doubling up to see if that is an improvement.
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Post by Mr Whippy on Sept 4, 2016 11:24:03 GMT
I certainly agree with the generalisation that good silver cables can outperform pretty much anything else, while poor silver cables can sound worse than copper. One thing for sure, having gone down various paths with cables, is that system synergy is very important and cables should be chosen carefully by listening, not on spec. I have arrived at a mixture of Coherent 6D speaker cables, BD jumpers, Coherent 6D and MCRU No.9 power cables, Yannis ConnectLitz and NVA TIS interconnects, by listening and comparing. A natural, detailed and neutrally balanced sound are what I love and they do it as an ensemble very well. Sometimes a BBC R4 speaking voice is the best test there is, and getting it sounding just like someone is in the room is quite an achievement. Being a one-time Amstrad owner, and equally as guilty, I have to say that smugness about one's system, is not an endearing quality, Martin. Not an endearing quality.
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Post by MartinT on Sept 4, 2016 11:29:46 GMT
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Post by Mr Whippy on Sept 12, 2016 21:15:27 GMT
Pure Ag can sound wonderful - detailed and natural, plated silver less so. However, even that is a generalisation. It really depends on construction and purity. Geometry plays a massive part and the insulator. Colin, why is it geometry can play such a crucial role? Years (years) ago I made up an interconnect using 3 sets of 3 0.6 silver-plated Kynar-covered single strand wire-wrap plaited together and was a bit surprised at the sense of grip it added compared to a losely twisted pair.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2016 21:19:35 GMT
Oh Goodness lots of bit to explain, OK write it up in my poor English and post it later, eh back to Maths and after tea, yuk.
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Post by yomanze on Sept 16, 2016 8:22:32 GMT
Here's some discussion about silver from Richard Bews at LFD (taken from: www.stereo-now.co.uk/interviews-RB.html)--- Silver versus copper? Although pure silver is a better conductor than pure copper, poor quality silver often sounds a lot worse than poor quality copper. Firstly, choose a very pure silver and make sure that the crystal structure is defined and not distorted by the mechanical processes used to form the strands. We generally prefer continuous cast silver of at least 5 nines pure, however I don’t believe purity of the silver (or copper) beyond 6 nines pure has any benefit. General experimentation, listening tests, shows that a given diameter of silver or copper has a subjective ‘frequency response’. Unfortunately I've no technical explanation of why this appears to occur, except that the electromagnetic radial field structure, that gives rise to skin effect within the conductor when a current flows, may be responsible. The subjective ‘frequency response’ of a conductor is tilted towards the low frequencies as the diameter increases. This is why certain diameters are chosen for single strand cables; i.e. for interconnects around 0.6 mm diameter for copper and 0.9 mm diameter for silver. I must emphasis that the dielectric surrounding the conductors, the material used for the outer jacket and exact crystal structure of the conductor is an influence on the sound as well. Through subjective evaluation, I've established that when many single strand conductors of the SAME diameter are put together to form a multistrand cable, the subjective frequency response is widened relative to the frequency response of the single strand. This would suggest that multistrand cables are therefore more preferable to single strand cables, However, I've not talked about the subjective ‘time response’ of single or a multistrand cable. Which means what exactly? Unfortunately it appears that a single strand cable seems to ‘ring’ at a particular frequency (related to its diameter) and has a fast decay. Whereas multistrand cables on the other hand, again ‘rings’ at a particular frequency (related to the diameter of the strands), but the ringing is much longer in duration. I believe that neither cable solution is correct, since the fast decay of single strands tends to lead to subjective comments like: tight, fast sound, but not rich or warm. Whereas a multistrand cable can often sound: warm, slow with some smearing. I must point out that copper is much easier to work with, since its subjective ‘frequency response’ is wider than that of silver for comparable single strand conductors. That is why many silver cables appear to sound not quite right, sometimes they might be a little bright or coloured.
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Post by jayman67 on Sept 16, 2016 15:54:47 GMT
I agree with Martins earlier point - that speaker cable I go on about is a very high spec silver plated item and nothing sounds better between my valves and my ANKs. Not really done enough comparisons to compare properly but I certainly agree these things are component dependant. if you mean the yellow and purple stuff i found it to be too bright for my system,i switched it out for some NVA LS5 and couldn't be happier .
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2016 16:23:36 GMT
Aye it's good stuff Chris, use it myself. Bought another length to try doubling up to see if that is an improvement. I found it to have more of everything and no downsides when doubled up. Definitely more gravitas and presence and also a sense of greater ease. I will be interest to hear if it does the same for you. I thougt about tripling it or even using four lengths per connector, but it wouldn't be the easiest to terminate and would probably rival NAC A5 for stiffness. I decided it wasn't worth the extra hassle so stuck with it doubled up.
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Post by Chris on Sept 18, 2016 2:58:57 GMT
Fair enough jayman - I'm glad you tried it.
Agree with singularity here as well - I doubled up a run and it added a wee bit extra everything.
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Post by Eduardo Wobblechops on Sept 18, 2016 22:18:09 GMT
I'll have to get round to trying it. Too busy this weekend, been working at the Whittlebury show.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2016 14:20:34 GMT
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Post by ChrisB on Sept 22, 2016 6:35:58 GMT
It's a good read, Colin. Thanks. I love this bit:
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Post by MartinT on Sept 24, 2016 7:49:17 GMT
Very good points about the quality of a pressure connection, which even applies to a plug-and-socket approach. I still use Deoxit to 'help' that connection quality in all my cables - interconnects, speaker and power. I even use it in my fuse connections.
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Post by MartinT on Sept 24, 2016 7:56:30 GMT
I love the comparative results quoted, especially the early Stereo Review one which found no perceived differences between speaker cables.
The system components are rarely quoted in these tests, nor the room, power conditions, ambient noise, familiarity with the music etc.
Surely it should be obvious to anyone that cables come last when the system is already well chosen and working optimally? If it is truly transparent, then cable differences can be easily heard. If it isn't, then cables will all sound the same.
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Post by tony on Oct 22, 2016 18:19:07 GMT
Ive not really been a fan of silver coated copper cables in the past. I recently tried fisul dark twist in my set up between statics and and an ss amp-its staying in place. I got it for two quid a meter but have to say in my set up its rather good and maybe worth a squirt for the sheer hell of it. Easy to work with and a nice sheilded outer with a combo of copper and silver coated copper lattie cables. I left the shield floating. I left the insulator in place but a mate says he found ditching that and twisting the lot together worked better,
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Post by sq225917 on Oct 23, 2016 17:55:07 GMT
Silver is bright, copper is rosy and gold is warm.... Well done, say what you see.
I'll wait until someone, anyone can reliably tell the difference between conductor materials in a blind test of wires of identical geometry before I waste any time or money on cables.
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