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Post by Guest on Aug 30, 2016 14:35:51 GMT
Just had some of my ebay listings removed as ebay does not recognise the country 'America'. According to them there is no such place. I told them it was a large landmass west of England discovered by the explorer Amerigo Vespuci and that is how it got it's name. Their reply was that there is no such country as England. I'm expecting GD to replace Germany and FR France next!!!!
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Post by MartinT on Aug 30, 2016 14:43:53 GMT
Well, in all fairness they are strictly speaking correct.
America contains two continents' worth of countries.
Our country is the UK. England is a sub-country or constituent part of it, but our all-important passports say "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland".
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Post by pre65 on Aug 30, 2016 14:45:13 GMT
Are you being obstreperous for fun, or are you serious ? 
Surely it's North America OR the United States of America ?
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Post by Guest on Aug 30, 2016 14:46:51 GMT
Well, in all fairness they are strictly speaking correct. America contains two continents' worth of countries. Our country is the UK. England is a sub-country or constituent part of it, but our all-important passports say "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland". Could you please tell me when England became a 'sub-country'? |
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Post by pre65 on Aug 30, 2016 14:50:10 GMT
Our country is the UK. England is a constituent part of it. |
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Post by Guest on Aug 30, 2016 14:52:19 GMT
Is that better ? The United Kingdom is a collection of four countries. The most influential of the four being England. I, having been born in England am an Englishman. Has anyone ever met an Ukman?!!! |
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Post by pre65 on Aug 30, 2016 14:56:53 GMT
Is that better ? The United Kingdom is a collection of four countries. The most influential of the four being England. I, having been born in England am an Englishman. Has anyone ever met an Ukman?!!!
I am a child of the universe, whether I am English, British, UKish or European does not really matter, that just helps to build barriers.  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2016 15:09:08 GMT
Professional wooden spoon alert
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Post by MartinT on Aug 30, 2016 15:59:47 GMT
British is what it says in my passport |
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Post by Sovereign on Aug 30, 2016 16:08:53 GMT
All this lack of boundaries is beginning to sound a bit transgender to me
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Post by pinkie on Aug 30, 2016 16:56:06 GMT
Curious to be British. Poundland is strictly the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. So someone from Northern Ireland is not British. It's all to do with that lovely sovereignty thing UKIP get so excited about. The sovereign nation is the UK (abbreviated). England is a country within that sovereign nation. I expect you knew all that
For the record America was not discovered by Amerigo Vespucci. If we are going to ignore Viking and other earlier discoveries (see images of the maize plant on the walls of Roslyn chapel) then it was discovered by Christopher Columbus. Vespucci is credited with identifying that the lands discovered were not part of the Indies, but a separate land mass to the east of them. It is also questionable that America was named after him - in spite of Wikipedia saying so (be wary of Wikipedia as authoritative - my amended translation of the first verse of the French national anthem is still the Wikipedia authoritative one) . The first use of America on a map was by Waldseemuller. He also refers to the discoveries of Americci Vespucci . America is allegedly the feminine latin version of Amerigo's name. Nobody has troubled to explain why Waldseemuller didn't name it Amerigo or Americus if he was indeed naming it after Vespucci.
Since I now live in Templar country, and have visited Rosslyn, and am next to Rennes le Chateau, I am going to offer the idea that Columbus got his early information from the Templars, who referred to a land to the west as La Merica. Columbus undoubtedly had charts telling him he would find lands where he did and get back using the trade winds, and there has been a Templar grave found in New England, and the Vikings had been there long before, and well the whole America Amerigo thing is just a bit too pat.
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Post by Guest on Aug 30, 2016 18:54:52 GMT
Curious to be British. Poundland is strictly the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. So someone from Northern Ireland is not British. It's all to do with that lovely sovereignty thing UKIP get so excited about. The sovereign nation is the UK (abbreviated). England is a country within that sovereign nation. I expect you knew all that For the record America was not discovered by Amerigo Vespucci. If we are going to ignore Viking and other earlier discoveries (see images of the maize plant on the walls of Roslyn chapel) then it was discovered by Christopher Columbus. Vespucci is credited with identifying that the lands discovered were not part of the Indies, but a separate land mass to the east of them. It is also questionable that America was named after him - in spite of Wikipedia saying so (be wary of Wikipedia as authoritative - my amended translation of the first verse of the French national anthem is still the Wikipedia authoritative one) . The first use of America on a map was by Waldseemuller. He also refers to the discoveries of Americci Vespucci . America is allegedly the feminine latin version of Amerigo's name. Nobody has troubled to explain why Waldseemuller didn't name it Amerigo or Americus if he was indeed naming it after Vespucci. Since I now live in Templar country, and have visited Rosslyn, and am next to Rennes le Chateau, I am going to offer the idea that Columbus got his early information from the Templars, who referred to a land to the west as La Merica. Columbus undoubtedly had charts telling him he would find lands where he did and get back using the trade winds, and there has been a Templar grave found in New England, and the Vikings had been there long before, and well the whole America Amerigo thing is just a bit too pat. Christopher Columbus never found the mainland. He discovered the Bahamas. Vespucci discovered America. The vikings Greenland and Newfoundland For this reason America is named after the man who discovered it. You are right about England, it is a country in the Sovereignty of the United Kingdom; however. There is no king and it's not united, so I am proud to be English, England is not a sub-country. Every Englishman should be proud to be English. There is no such thing as an Ukman. ebay is however, run by jingoistic buffoons and badly at that. |
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Post by MartinT on Aug 30, 2016 19:59:58 GMT
Curious to be British. Poundland is strictly the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. So someone from Northern Ireland is not British. Nope. 'Great Britain' is a land mass, not a political boundary. So the UK consists of the island of Great Britain and the partial island of Northern Ireland. |
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Post by kettlechips on Aug 30, 2016 21:44:09 GMT
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Post by Stratmangler on Aug 30, 2016 21:58:57 GMT
1603 1603 was the year that Elizabeth I died, to be succeeded by James I of England/ VI of Scotland, and there was the Union of The Crowns. England and Scotland were still countries independent of each for another hundred or so years. |
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Post by pinkie on Aug 31, 2016 6:38:15 GMT
1603 I know. When I choose where I live(d) from a drop-down list, I have no problem with "United Kingdom" or "Royaume Uni" as short-hand for "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" and I don't need to ask whether that includes Barra and the Isle of White. But when I choose my nationality, that would make me "United Kingdomish". Britain is no more a separate sovereign nation than England is, so I can be no more British than English. I should be United Kingdomish. And someone from Northern Ireland cannot be British simply by including both land masses. It's even more confusing over here, where Brittanique is not really used (the island is Grand Bretagne, and to be Bretagne, would be to come from Brittany). Thank heavens for Brexit when we can clear some of these things up  |
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Post by MartinT on Aug 31, 2016 7:31:10 GMT
I don't think Brexit will clear anything up at all!
The salient phrase is 'British Subject', which applies to everyone in the UK. It is confusing, though, and trying to explain it to the Americans always ends up in puzzlement. I've been asked questions like "is Scotland in England" before now. The most alarming, though, was "what language do they speak in England?"
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Post by ChrisB on Aug 31, 2016 7:42:36 GMT
Yes, I've had that one a few times.
I like to joke with folks from America that they should treat our language with respect because they're only borrowing it until they start speaking Spanish officially.
They almost always tell me how true it is.
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Post by Paul Barker on Aug 31, 2016 16:12:01 GMT
Is that better ? The United Kingdom is a collection of four countries. The most influential of the four being England. I, having been born in England am an Englishman. Has anyone ever met an Ukman?!!! England is subdivided into Yorkshire (which carries England on it's back) and the rest. |
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Post by Paul Barker on Aug 31, 2016 16:17:52 GMT
I don't think Brexit will clear anything up at all! The most alarming, though, was "what language do they speak in England?" Why are people calling North America America on here? When I went stateside in the 70's I was really surprised they didnt recognise their own language spoken properly. They would say, "where are you from Canada?" No, Englan. "Oh London?" No England. "Gee is it really foggy over there?" |
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