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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2016 18:40:38 GMT
From what Ive read, the Naiad uses 3 belts
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Post by MartinT on Mar 21, 2016 20:40:49 GMT
Rather like the Voyd, then. I can't help feeling there's something missing - like a platter. I thought zero support for vinyl had been dismissed some time ago as not the best approach. Vinyl needs even supporting and some damping, at least that has always been present in the best sounding decks to my ears. Skeletal support just doesn't look very promising.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2016 20:45:18 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2016 21:48:06 GMT
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Post by ChrisB on Mar 21, 2016 23:25:27 GMT
I can't ever imagine a situation where I would allocate that sort of cash to a turntable, or any single piece of hi-fi gear, for that matter. Even if I had that sort of cash kicking around with nothing to spend it on, I'd find something else to spend it on. However, if you held a gun to my head and said - you must buy a >£30K turntable, I'd like to think I'd buy the thing that sounds best to me and not the thing that looks like it sounds the best. The thing is being given a tough time considering no-one has heard it yet.
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Post by dsjr on Mar 22, 2016 9:23:30 GMT
The issue for me was - As I understand it, belt drive was used in the AR deck (which is the distant ancestor of all of 'em imo) so that motor vibration would be isolated from the spinning platter, aided bu the fact that said motor was attached to the fixed top plate and the platter plus bearing to a floating sub-chassis, all but decoupling one from the other. NAS decks made everything solid, but with the motor in a separate 'pod' - my Mentor was an earlier one with the heavy motor further mass loaded, 'stuck' to the plinth a la Rega '2000' models onwards - it came unstuck and I ended up using rubber feet underneath to hold it in place  This new deck does indeed appear to use three belts (looking carefully at the picture) and I'm sure the engineering is superb, but since coupling between the motor and hub is so increased, why not bite the sodding bullet and just make it an idler model? I'm probably talking completely out of my backside here and I apologise if so, but a rumoured? price of thirty grand opens this design to all manner of scrutiny, amateur or otherwise. As for the main bearing, the RP1 bearing, itself a scaled down 'Planar' type, is quieter than most as all the 'noise' in a Rega deck seems to be motor borne judging by listening and review measurements. |
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Post by MartinT on Mar 24, 2016 9:09:35 GMT
If I was going to spend that sort of money on a turntable, I'm afraid my mind would require nothing short of engineering excellence in both design and construction. A belt drive it would NOT be as the shortcomings are not compatible with the price. Something like the Monaco Grand Prix would light my fire, a proper new DD design which is quite superb to behold and listen to. AT $20,000 you will even have some change for more vinyl to play on it.  |
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Post by dsjr on Mar 24, 2016 16:45:57 GMT
They all look so sh*t though, don't they?
If you want the cutting lathe look, why not see about buying a vintage lathe and 'just' use the platter assembly? Just a thought.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2016 17:20:50 GMT
Rega have so much going against them with this one, but let's not kid ourselves. It will have negligible impact on the company whether they sell well or not because it will only sell in low quantities. The difference between success and failure in terms of numbers will likely be whether they sell none or twenty. I'd wager they will be lucky to get beyond single figure sales.
The things I'd see counting against them are:
1. Rega is not seen as a high end manufacturer
2. They have a reputation as one of "the good guys" who don't charge huge margins.
3. The turntable is small with low perceived vfm
4. It's similar to, and looks cheaper than the next model down which is several orders of magnitude cheaper
5. With turntables especially, Rega has never been "Premier League". There is a stigma attached to the brand in terms of clearly not being the best. It's an Audi trying to compete with an Aston Martin for a wealthy buyer's money.
6. Selling this turntable may impact other sales because it could be seen as tarnishing Rega's image outlined at number "2" above. The loyalty of budget price customers may be lost as a result of selling at this sort of price. It's a bit like a politician who chases floating voters but loses the hearts and minds of core supporters.
Rega must feel they have something to gain by releasing the Naiad. Maybe brand repositioning, or perhaps a desire to excel rather than just offer VFM. Personally I think it will prove to be mistaken and will only serve to confuse what was a clearly defined leading brand in its segment of the market.
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Post by julesd68 on Mar 24, 2016 18:12:24 GMT
I would agree with points 1-6 entirely
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Post by MikeMusic on Mar 24, 2016 18:49:54 GMT
My Isis is well know to be a top end CD player and at £6k list price also said to be cheap.
I have heard people impressed with the Osiris Amp, again performing well out of its price league
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Post by dsjr on Mar 24, 2016 22:34:00 GMT
Mike, I really am not being nasty here, but 'in the UK,' the poor Isis and Osiris haven't sold well at their £6k prices and most were flogged off for around half this, which is roughly what you paid I believe. Maybe if they'd both been priced at £3k or £4k each, they may have stood a better chance of sales, but balancing selling price to expected quantity of sales is a difficult one. Of course, we may all be being duped and the Naiad will end up at £3k all in and not £30k..... I'm known and lampooned for being a supporter of this brand and I realise the bottom end of the Hifi market is now led by used gear and new sales of cheaper stuff is basically dominated by Richer Sounds I think. My old stomping ground (KJ W1) is doing very well I believe and SME plus fully tricked out Linn LP12's are regular sellers, as well as full third party LP12 upgrades (Tangerine Audio?), so there must be SOME people with this kind of money to spend and I was also told that in the far east, the selling price is everything as it's perceived owner-status, not sound, that's the final arbiter at the end of the day. I fear that we in the UK have become pauper penny-pinchers always looking for 'bargains...' I'm not saying it's wrong, but I doubt it's not far from the truth |
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Post by MikeMusic on Mar 30, 2016 8:21:39 GMT
Guilty as charged, always looking for bargains.
I was dead happy with the Isis at around £2600, from memory
Still very happy
Maybe Rega reached too far with the price tag
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2016 13:18:40 GMT
To be fair the Kronos is an SME on steroids, is it worth the tag, only the buyer can decide that, however the Kronos is exceptional well built, Rega would seriously struggle to match its build quality, sonic's I could not comment.
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Post by julesd68 on Mar 30, 2016 15:18:01 GMT
Just goes to show how important it can be to get pricing correct or great products can get buried...
Mike's Isis is absolutely top-flight and I'm sure deserved to sell in much better numbers.
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Post by MikeMusic on Mar 30, 2016 16:35:15 GMT
Rega have achieved one aim at least - people saying 'Rega' and exposing themselves to the danger of buying Rega
Often used in car showrooms.
Put in an expensive model which pulls in the punters who buy further down the range
The lust is at least partly satisfied by being able to talk about the relation to the expensive model "only slightly better than mine"
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Post by hifi_dave on Apr 2, 2016 16:27:20 GMT
The price of the Naid is a direct result of the development work involved and the costs of manufacture. It doesn't look like a lot of turntable for the money but the first production run was sold months ago. So they must be doing something right.
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Post by dsjr on Apr 2, 2016 17:08:06 GMT
The RP1 is just too good though. Amazing cheap little deck and according to our mutual friend now on his third (he keeps going back to it after dabbling with expensive turntables and getting annoyed), it's better finished than ever...
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Post by MikeMusic on Apr 2, 2016 17:09:16 GMT
The price of the Naid is a direct result of the development work involved and the costs of manufacture. It doesn't look like a lot of turntable for the money but the first production run was sold months ago. So they must be doing something right. I'm glad to hear that. Good for Rega ! |
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Post by hifi_dave on Apr 2, 2016 17:16:06 GMT
I'm sure the Naid sounds wonderful, if it is better than the RP10 it is seriously good. However, I won't be ordering one as it doesn't look like a lot for the money. I know that looks are not the be all and end all but I would like something to show off for £30K. Shallow I knoiw. Fortunately for Rega, there are those out there with the cash who think it is worth the money.
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