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Post by MartinT on Mar 7, 2016 21:17:52 GMT
e.g. track 1 of London Grammar That track gets my room excited, too. Pretty normal with UK sized rooms. |
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Post by jandl100 on Mar 8, 2016 6:39:53 GMT
e.g. track 1 of London Grammar That track gets my room excited, too. Pretty normal with UK sized rooms. Ah, that's interesting. Without port bungs that almost blows the windows out, way out of control and unpleasant. With the bungs -- errr, socks! -- in it's still exaggerated but tolerable. |
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Post by MartinT on Mar 8, 2016 6:49:57 GMT
Ditto here. I use stuffed ports all the time and it works well but that note is only just tolerable. The track Barcelona from Jewel's Spirit also hits my room mode.
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Post by jandl100 on Mar 8, 2016 7:30:17 GMT
You know, I'm greatly relieved about that London Grammar track -- I thought it was just my system!
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Post by jandl100 on Mar 8, 2016 7:33:45 GMT
Every now & then I think about cutting out some suitably sized foam bungs and seeing if they do a better job than socks.  Haven't quite gotten around to it yet! |
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Post by ChrisB on Mar 8, 2016 7:48:41 GMT
A/B test of nylon vs poly-cotton mix? Of course, the purists will tell you that nothing beats pure angora wool!
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Post by jandl100 on Mar 8, 2016 8:34:43 GMT
A/B test of nylon vs poly-cotton mix? Of course, the purists will tell you that nothing beats pure angora wool! The great sock shootout!  |
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Post by mirekti on Mar 8, 2016 16:34:11 GMT
Ditto here. I use stuffed ports all the time and it works well but that note is only just tolerable. The track Barcelona from Jewel's Spirit also hits my room mode. What size is your room? Have you tried moving them further from the wall and if so has it helped? ...I couldn't find any speaker manual available on the MBL website to see what is recommended room size and positioning for 116F. |
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Post by MartinT on Mar 8, 2016 17:38:22 GMT
5.4 x 4.2m. It's not possible to move my Ushers further from the wall, they are in the best and pretty much only position. They are designed for a much bigger room, which is all in my plan. They sound superb, it's only overpowering on a few songs which happen to hit the room resonance. The port stuffing (see my article elsewhere) has worked wonders.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2016 9:04:55 GMT
It maybe the mixing on that particular track, no such issues here even on modest speakers here.
Have come across this a few times before with certain other tracks, though not using CD for playback here.
I lost count how many times this was played at Bristol virtually ever other room at some point in the show used it, and suffered similar traits to Jerry and Martin.
There is a Damien Rice track on 'O' that produces a serious booming overhang in each system that I have listen to it on, one of those infamous show tracks again!
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Post by ynwan on Mar 9, 2016 9:37:14 GMT
It's room issues of this nature which led me to make my speakers semi-active enabling some DSP to be introduced into the bass region. After measuring the room three notch filters were applied and this has entirely stopped the room sounding off (being energised) at 'hot' frequencies (I have the London Grammar album). I appreciate this is not an easy fix for most people as it requires a three way system and the ability to bypass the passive crossover to the bass (not to mention the addition of another amplifier and DSP hardware)- but it has worked very well with no negatives that I, or friends, are aware of.
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Post by MartinT on Mar 9, 2016 9:37:38 GMT
Ah yes I know and like that Damien Rice album, too! Serious dynamics on the first track.
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Post by tony on Apr 24, 2016 15:05:31 GMT
Great write up Jerry-is this really the speakers you played the mini t and mini 1 with!!!
Fantastic....
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Post by jandl100 on Apr 24, 2016 16:35:33 GMT
Thanks, Tony. Yes, the MBLs are ridiculously easy to drive - they thrive on the 8wpc of my valve SET amp as well as the 300wpc of my APart Champ One solid state amp. The tiny t-amps work a treat as well. |
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Post by complin on Oct 13, 2016 11:16:42 GMT
Thanks for the review Jerry I have always been intrigued by the speakers and am thinking of possibly acquiring a used pair at some point in the future
My listening room is not as large as yours just 14' by 12' so not sure if the model you have might be overwhelming in a smaller room.
Also the positioning in a smaller room could be more problematic as you say 80cm is needed from the rear wall and 1.5m minimum from the side wall.
So which dimension of your 20' by 12' room do you have your speakers set up on?
If its the 12' side then they must be quite close together?
How far away do you sit from the speakers roughly?
Personally i've not heard the MBL's but do they play well at low levels or do they require a fair amount of volume before they come to life?
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Post by jandl100 on Oct 14, 2016 8:36:46 GMT
^ The MBLs are placed along the long wall - that's always my preferred setup anyway, and I suspect is necessary in my room with the side-firing MBLs. I'm about 9 feet from the speakers. I like a close to nearfield listening experience anyway - in a previous house I had a 16x19 foot room, but still chose to sit up close to the speakers! The mid and treble drivers are closely spaced together, so it all still sounds coherent close up. I've only ever heard the speakers in my own current listening room so can't really comment on the suitability of a 14x12 footer. Stuffing the rear ports to various degrees and with various materials is an effective way of limiting the bass, so a large degree of room fitting is available to avoid the overpowering concern you mention. But will the amazing 3D soundstaging be adequately empowered? I don't know. But my gut feeling is that they will still sound amazing. They come to life quite happily at low levels - whilst happy to flex the walls with big orchestral or rock, they are also superb with much smaller scale music. One of my favourite recordings (and test tracks) is of a solo lute. |
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Post by ChrisB on May 3, 2017 18:17:48 GMT
I don't know if you have seen this video before Jerry? |
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Post by jandl100 on May 4, 2017 5:49:59 GMT
Yep, seen that!
Painstakingly labour intensive, isn't it.
The smaller radialstrahler drivers must undergo a similar manufacture process.
It helps explain at least some of the price tag!
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Post by ChrisB on May 4, 2017 5:54:44 GMT
You wouldn't expect to see mass production any time soon, would you?!
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Post by MartinT on May 4, 2017 6:07:35 GMT
Indeed, it puts to shame even the beryllium midrange driver from my Ushers, which is apparently a tricky material to work with.
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Haven't quite gotten around to it yet!
