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Post by stanleyb on Jun 5, 2015 21:20:37 GMT
There was apparently a maths question from the recent GCSE exam that had many stumped. It has been trending on Twitter apparently, with a lot of angry students complaining how difficult it was to figure out. The question was to list the value of n in the formula below:
n2 - n - 90 = 0
This has had me wondering how long it would take for you to work this one out.
It took me about 5 seconds to work out the answer. My son, who is 15, took 30 seconds.
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Post by MartinT on Jun 5, 2015 22:10:14 GMT
Not too difficult, took me a bit longer than 5 seconds though
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Post by Chris on Jun 5, 2015 22:31:24 GMT
Nope,no idea whatsoever. I don't get,or agree with this nonsensical wizardry
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2015 6:42:56 GMT
A few seconds. Factors (n-10)(n+9), so n = 10 or n = -9
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Post by pinkie on Jun 6, 2015 6:48:45 GMT
5 seconds to get 10. An "oh yes" moment for - 9. This is gcse - I bet the correct answer for full marks was 10.
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Post by MartinT on Jun 6, 2015 6:49:58 GMT
It should be both, as I was taught.
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Post by stanleyb on Jun 6, 2015 7:23:28 GMT
What surprised me is that these kids taken that exam should have even complained that it was difficult. What kind of education standard have we got these days compared to when we on the forum were at that age?
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Post by zippy on Jun 6, 2015 10:08:15 GMT
What surprised me is that these kids taken that exam should have even complained that it was difficult. What kind of education standard have we got these days compared to when we on the forum were at that age? Worries me too: at the risk of being controversial and showing my age, seems that kids** want it all served on a plate these days.. (took me about 10 seconds) **I use the term loosely, to include University students too - I only recently retired from a Uni job and our students there for example expected printed copies of lecture notes handed to them rather than having to write their own. How do you learn that way ?
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Post by MikeMusic on Jun 6, 2015 10:08:24 GMT
Took me a while to switch modes, say 30 seconds then I got it
If I was in mode way quicker
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Post by pinkie on Jun 6, 2015 11:22:50 GMT
What surprised me is that these kids taken that exam should have even complained that it was difficult. What kind of education standard have we got these days compared to when we on the forum were at that age? I know it is popular to view us as reactionary old gits, and actually kids today passing through "A" level and degrees get a good education. And they do. But it is dumbed down from what we did. On the core subject of my very own live-in teacher it was a requirement when we sat our "A" levels to have grade 8 music theory to sit "A" level music. Now it is only grade 5 music theory. It is no longer necessary for GCSE music to actually be able to play music. Of course, in part that is because the world moves on. So there are new subjects in the syllabus - composing using garageband or music maker, mixing, production techniques, electronic recording and the whole "music tech" thing. Kids today can use programs like Cubase to produce complete music arrangements But for all that - dumbed down. Whilst Maths isn't my number one subject, having revised it to help the errant son (predicted grade U - achieved grade C) with his maths "A" level imagine my consternation to find calculus isnt taught at GCSE and is a new concept at "AS" level (While we're on the subject, WTF did "AS" come from? )
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2015 11:28:12 GMT
Haven't got a clue, maths was never my best subject at school, I managed a god awful 'U'!
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Post by julesd68 on Jun 6, 2015 12:20:59 GMT
My son got the correct answer in a minute - he is only just 10 though ...
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Post by MartinT on Jun 6, 2015 12:37:53 GMT
Good lad!
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Post by AlanS on Jun 6, 2015 13:17:20 GMT
(While we're on the subject, WTF did "AS" come from? ) When I was at school a few ~3 more capable lads, assumed to get grade A in the subject were entered for A level Special papers. Maybe a more modern form of the same thing. The same pupils were entered (and usually got entrance exams for Oxford or Cambridge) If current education/question/pass standards are lower and fewer are passing perhaps the subject never gets mentioned if there are none likely to succeed in a year. Why depress the little pupils with comparisons to levels they have no chance of attaining.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2015 15:19:13 GMT
I hate maths and I surprised myself by even clicking on the thread. Took me about 20-25 seconds, so I worry for any maths student who struggled with it. The last bit of the equation is a red herring. If it was written as n squared minus n = 90 I reckon Lots more people would've got it.
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Post by Stratmangler on Jun 6, 2015 15:56:43 GMT
The last bit of the equation is a red herring. If it was written as n squared minus n = 90 I reckon Lots more people would've got it. There is no piscine connection to the question, and there's no catch in the question. The question is what it is. www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-33017299If you look down to the video you will see what the students were expected to do without having their hands held.
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Post by MartinT on Jun 6, 2015 16:02:48 GMT
Don't start the fish puns!
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Post by Slinger on Jun 6, 2015 16:04:04 GMT
The "maths" is pretty simple, and intuitive, but the full question asked for a lot more than a straight numerical answer for the value of n. This was the question: So simply saying "10" doesn't answer the question, also the -9 answer is negated by the question. It's a bit difficult to have less than zero sweets in the bag This is an actual suggested "correct" answer
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Post by Stratmangler on Jun 6, 2015 16:18:21 GMT
Don't start the fish puns! I know, it's the wrong plaice
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2015 16:23:43 GMT
Now that's a different kettle of fish. The earlier version skated over some of the details. The eelongated version is definitely higher up the difficulty scale
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