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Post by MartinT on Sept 3, 2022 18:02:30 GMT
Frankly, 'cable deniers' can go take a running jump. We are so far ahead of their limited thinking and 'I cannot possibly hear any difference' or even the well-worn 'placebo effect' that I can't be bothered to entertain their thoughts any longer.
It's simple: all you have to do is listen. If you're not prepared to trust your ears, this thread is not for you,
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Post by MartinT on Sept 3, 2022 18:22:15 GMT
Initial thoughts on the new cable pairing. Since I can't listen to one cable in isolation, this represents both BDM and BD taking over from the previous BD and 6D cables. All else is the same, with SR Orange fuses in both cables as before. Effectively, both regenerators have a cable upgrade.
Tony had the BDM on the cable cooker for a couple of days, so there is inevitably more to come as they take a couple of weeks to reach their peak performance. The BD is already fully burned in.
There is more of several things: - More timbre and texture to songs - Bigger and better defined soundstage - More edge definition with snap and dynamics - More upper bass punch (this is hard to believe as there wasn't an apparent lack before) - Something I can only describe as fluid or organic presentation. Musical communication, if you prefer
It sounds very, very nice on a variety of genres played so far.
I guess the lesson is that already excellent cables further down the range can still be improved upon. I cheekily asked Tony what the difference was. He said "lots of materials research". Having seen the quality of his test equipment, this is where he has an advantage over cottage industry cable manufacturers. There is real science behind these cables.
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Post by stellabagpuss on Sept 3, 2022 20:06:00 GMT
Excellent result Martin, glad it worked out well 👍
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Post by John on Sept 4, 2022 9:34:46 GMT
I tried different cables early on in my journey and like Martin said they made a difference on my digital system more. I have not been on a cable upgrade quest I rarely purchase cables as I just not able to afford the better cables.
I do remember those days of endless circular debates and do not miss those days. I do get why someone might be sceptical. What I disliked was the rudeness that went with the whole debate.
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Post by brettj on Sept 4, 2022 10:10:32 GMT
I had a bright system around 2003, with my Plinius pre/power amp setup. Found on Whathifi Merlin interconnects which did a good job of sorting that out. Ended up selling Merlin in NZ for 6 months, as well as QED Silver Anniversary (the real cause of the brightness I suspect).
So got a few Merlin Tarantula power cables at that time. Bought some unterminated Van den Hul, which ended up being fakes. They still sounded better than standard power cables.
Have settled on Mad Scientist Nano, Nitro Nano and Basic. Sold on the improvements.
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Post by Mr Whippy on Sept 4, 2022 20:14:09 GMT
Of course that crazy Frenchman Jean Hiraga in the late 70s is to blame for it all and the madness that has ensured ever since. If it wasn't for him - everyone would still be using bell wire, and happy with it.
But he had to open his trap, didn't he. The idea that cables could influence sound quality. The notion that this could be so had the light of investigation shone on it resulting in the likes of PC-OCC continuous cystal, carbon, 300 ohm balanced, microphone, high capacitance and more being taken up for audio use.
In the 80s there was the great Solid Core v Multistrand war raging. And then you had the likes of Ray Kimber and others who brought out designs based on JH's design philosophy and, or so it seemed, The World & It's Granny got in on the act. And life has never been the same again. Sadly.
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Post by MartinT on Sept 4, 2022 20:18:38 GMT
Jean Hiraga was certainly someone to be revered for pursuing true sound quality. Single-core versus multi-core was a sidetrack because not enough was known about skin effect, EMI, RFI etc. However, PC-OCC showed the way in better materials research. Kimber was one of the first to try and productionise all the theory. We've come a long way since then.
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Post by Mr Whippy on Sept 4, 2022 20:42:04 GMT
Well, Martin, I have to say, I preferred it when audio life was a lot, lot, lot more simple, and the madness wasn't there. And the idea of how much I can rip the gullible off for, wasn't so widely spread, or so it would seem.
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Post by MartinT on Sept 5, 2022 5:01:24 GMT
Well, Martin, I have to say, I preferred it when audio life was a lot, lot, lot more simple, and the madness wasn't there. And the idea of how much I can rip the gullible off for, wasn't so widely spread, or so it would seem. Audio life was simpler, sure, but playback quality was nowhere near the level possible these days. No-one is being ripped off, however. You can't be, unless there is deliberate fraud or you're subintelligent. You want good cables, they don't come cheap. Purchase with your eyes open.
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Post by MikeMusic on Sept 5, 2022 8:45:19 GMT
Sound quality improvements in the past few years are beyond my wildest dreams A huge amount of that is down to mains cables
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