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Post by Clive on Dec 12, 2020 18:55:18 GMT
Great work as usual Martin. On my journey I’ve gone from hearing: 1) significant digital transport differences 2) wanting to believe DACs being much better at filtering transport noise and jitter so ignoring the differences for a while 3) still hearing the brutal differences which mean transports continue to make a very meaningful difference
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Post by MartinT on Dec 12, 2020 20:00:29 GMT
I've gone down a very similar journey, Clive. Buying the LKS was only the start, rather than the conclusion, of my journey. I have now spent a lot more on processing the signal into it than on the DAC itself.
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Post by MartinT on Dec 31, 2020 12:36:19 GMT
Just another note on the ultraRendu running SonicOrbiter 2.8, the latest version of its OS. It is rock stable and starts playing music every day without fail. It's maybe not something you'd remark on only I'm used to having to restart digital systems like Volumio, the Pioneer XC-HM86D network player in our kitchen, the Eonon Android head unit in my car and sometimes even my LG phone, to get music playing.
Not so the uR. I walk into the music room, open my Android tablet to BubbleUPnP and play something from Qobuz. Music starts. That simple, but I still half expect to have to restart something!
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Post by petea on Dec 31, 2020 13:29:24 GMT
After I figured out that there was a poor connection in the network switch in the UK system that caused the link to drop at random (I think it was doing that when you came round), both the Fidata system and the NDX2 have worked faultlessly every time. The Uniti-based system in the lounge and MuSoQb in the kitchen in Germany also always work first time as does the NDX in the studio. However, I always have to unplug and re-plug in the USB cable linking the Fidata streamer to the Lab12 DAC if I have left the DAC on standby rather than powered off. Easy to do, but mildly irritating none-the-less so I know what you mean.
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Post by MikeMusic on Dec 31, 2020 15:55:29 GMT
Just another note on the ultraRendu running SonicOrbiter 2.8, the latest version of its OS. It is rock stable and starts playing music every day without fail. You're talking my language !
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Post by speedysteve on Jan 8, 2021 22:26:07 GMT
"I'm not going to mention user interface right now as it depends on the app tested, but using the uR in MPD/DLNA mode with the BubbleUPnP app for Android works well for Qobuz hi-res streams and ripped files played directly from both OneDrive and Google Drive."
Please do 😀
Tell me more about BubbleUPnP and uR - What you do to search / select and play music.
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Post by MartinT on Jan 8, 2021 23:01:28 GMT
Well, I've got used to it now and I've set things up the way I like them so it's ended up a lot better than the Volumio interface. The search function searches through my Qobuz and files on OneDrive and/or Google Drive. Qobuz search is quick and effective, accepting the foibles of Qobuz naming. I usually search by Artist (sometimes by Track), then pick an album, then track. Or I look at my Playlists, all presented very nicely. Cross-indexing works well, so I can show the album for a track from a playlist, or while playing a track I can show all albums by the artist. Everything in Qobuz is found. Meta-data is also viewable for tracks (songwriter, band members, album description where available) although I don't know where it's sourced from. I've set it to show album artwork once I hit a track. Playback is almost instantaneous. You can configure time played or time remaining and constantly updating bit-rate. In fact, configuration options are complex but once you've got it the way you like it, it holds fast. I've got the paid-for version, just a few Pounds. The Sonore Sonicorbiter OS in DLNA mode and BubbleUPnP are obviously mature products as nothing glitches and they are rock steady, working every time I start a new listening session. I don't use a NAS so I can't speak for local file playback. However, if you can use cloud storage I would as it's seamless and works just like streaming. This combo is pleasing to use because the functions are good, it's fast and it's stable.
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Post by MartinT on Jan 8, 2021 23:06:07 GMT
Oh - I forgot to mention - set the Sonore to Spotify Connect mode using the app switcher and you can play Spotify from its native app. Then switch back to DLNA mode for all BubbleUPnP sources.
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Post by speedysteve on Jan 9, 2021 0:39:49 GMT
That's great to know. As you know I'm at the end of my tether with Volumio! Hateful setup! I think I'll try to get uR on demo if possible, along with the Mutec to test to see what's what.
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Post by MartinT on May 30, 2021 22:33:01 GMT
It's not the ultraRendu but the similar opticalRendu, this video review places it 1st among esteemed company such as the Innuos Zenith II.
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Post by speedysteve on Mar 29, 2023 14:27:07 GMT
Wake this old thread up as I have a problem and questions.
From time to time, and it is random when using Bubble UPnP / Qobuz / Sonore Ultrarendu / Gustard U18, I get to a state where a track I'm about to play won't play and flashes on 0.0 secs of played time. Everything else on the screen is normal, duration, kbps, sample rate etc. The track won't play. Pressing play, next track etc does nothing.
How / why it gets to this state is a bit of an unknown.. Sometimes it might happen if I skip several tracks or back and forth in the play screen, sometimes it just happens next track randomly.
The Najda dacs are locked on U18 the whole time. First thing I try is to select a different renderer or phone I'm using Bubble on, it plays no problem. Back to Ultrarendu as renderer, same problem. Going to Qobuz or other media, cueing up a new track or playlist, same problem. Res of track masked no difference.
Next, I exit Bubble UPnP fully and restart the app. It sees Ultrarendu straight away invariably (did I really exit fully?, Seems so?). Same problem, flashing on 0.0 won't play. Perhaps I should clear cache on the Bubble app?
Then I turn off and on Najda dacs, no change. Then Gustard off and on, this can sometimes do the trick, but far from everytime.
When the above doesn't work, I try all of them. I then shutdown Ultrarendu, turn if Gustard and Najda dacs. Still no dice.
At this point, one has lost the will to live, and wonder if it will ever play music again or at least that session😂
Ethernet feed is verified as fine, Rock solid etc.
I can play music through other streamer solutions, no problem.
As if by magic, it will start again at one of the steps above, but it's random.
Last night, I tried sharing from the Qobuz app to Bubble UPnP, and it suddenly restarted playback and was fine the rest of the evening.. I could then end that and use Bubble as normal. Could be a work around procedure, if consistent.
I also saw a similar flashing on 0.0 secs with Bubble and IFI Zen streamer! That was when the USB to spdif or I2S converter (WaveIO) was switched off by mistake. Switching it on solved it.
From this I tend to think it's not Qobuz, it's not Bubble it's Bubble to Gustard, or beyond that's glitching.
Anyone seen similar? Corrective action or cure?
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Post by MartinT on Mar 29, 2023 14:40:32 GMT
I haven't seen the exact same thing, but very occasionally (once or twice in a year) things seem to glitch such that the renderer is still selected as Rendu SE in Bubble and Qobuz remains signed in. I select a track and the timing remains on 0:00 (not flashing). It seems to have lost internet momentarily and I restart everything from the router onwards, except the DDC and DAC which never need restarting.
I have always thought that it was either a momentary loss of internet or the EtherREGEN, which does not suffer a glitch with internet or clock and will lock up.
Other times playback has stopped, I just restart Bubble (forcing it fully off) and things are fine. It's because I've had the tablet in the main house and brought it to the music room while Bubble is running. It doesn't like the wi-fi SSID changing.
To be honest, problems with it all are very rare indeed, I find the whole ensemble very reliable.
Is your ultraRendu fully updated?
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Post by speedysteve on Mar 29, 2023 16:22:19 GMT
I haven't seen the exact same thing, but very occasionally (once or twice in a year) things seem to glitch such that the renderer is still selected as Rendu SE in Bubble and Qobuz remains signed in. I select a track and the timing remains on 0:00 (not flashing). It seems to have lost internet momentarily and I restart everything from the router onwards, except the DDC and DAC which never need restarting. I have always thought that it was either a momentary loss of internet or the EtherREGEN, which does not suffer a glitch with internet or clock and will lock up. Other times playback has stopped, I just restart Bubble (forcing it fully off) and things are fine. It's because I've had the tablet in the main house and brought it to the music room while Bubble is running. It doesn't like the wi-fi SSID changing. To be honest, problems with it all are very rare indeed, I find the whole ensemble very reliable. Is your ultraRendu fully updated? 👍 That last question is a good question.. I will connect up and investigate. It's a microSD, hope can check the rev, not just pay £24 for a new one! Edit: it shows when connected at the top😃
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Post by speedysteve on Mar 29, 2023 22:05:27 GMT
I tried a different tack this evening. Didn't do any play a whole playlist - some of mine are very big.
I only did a couple of normal album length ones and Enqueued tracks to keep the music going where I wanted it to, as it were.
Didn't have the 'won't play, sat at flashing 0.0 secs' problem at all..
I did get a single incident of a track skip to next song, out of the blue. I've read about this happening to others.
I'm running version 2.7! So I ordered 2.8.. No idea if that will fix these - fingers crossed.
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Post by nicholas on Mar 29, 2023 22:19:30 GMT
I'm running version 2.7! So I ordered 2.8.. Were you unable to update to version 2.8 by opening the Sonicorbiter app, going to Apps, then Software Manager? You should see an option to update the UltraRendu software online from that page.
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Post by MartinT on Mar 30, 2023 5:06:17 GMT
2.7 won't update to 2.8, you have to buy it. Good move, Steve, 2.8 has been out a long time and is very stable.
Once you receive 2.8, you can then occasionally do the update, consisting of security and bug fixes.
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Post by speedysteve on Mar 30, 2023 9:17:27 GMT
Yes, someone wrote that they did this to cut down on customer support required to support and resolve OTA issues some customers had with previous updates.
I suspect it's more to do with 2.8 updating the boot code and they didn't want to risk bricked Ultrarendu's having to be returned for fixing.
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Post by MartinT on Mar 30, 2023 10:54:09 GMT
It's clear that the Sonore Rendu series have received a great deal of attention to both the low-noise circuit and the operating system (Sonic Orbiter). The software is not an afterthought but an integral, well developed and stable part of the whole.
John Swenson, of Uptone, has played a major part in the development of both EtherREGEN and Rendu products.
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Post by speedysteve on Mar 30, 2023 21:01:58 GMT
I'd happily been playing tracks singly and then enqueuing what I wanted to hear. Was working fine.
Then made the mistake of trying to play a playlist that is a regular album number of tracks.. The dreaded bug struck. Half an hour later of rebooting, powering off and on over and over, in different orders and I'm no nearer to getting music again. Might give up this evening!
Not even the share from Qobuz app will change the flash on 0.00 secs in the playing now display, connected light on the dac is on as if playing - BUG!
Any other renderer will play! It's not Qobuz, it's not Bubble, it's not Gustard, it's not DAC, it's Ultrarendu!
Roll on v2.8!
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Post by MartinT on Mar 30, 2023 21:05:18 GMT
As a workaround, try uninstalling all the apps and reinstalling them again. I got my 2.7 out of a spot of bother that way once.
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