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Post by MikeMusic on Mar 4, 2019 16:10:37 GMT
I have two
Bajofondo Tango Club presents Supervielle.
Everyone should !
The standard UK version, I think, dated 2005 "Made in the EU" is wonderful as we know
The 2004 one, made in Argentina is subtly better.
What happened there then and at what point ?
Are these foreign types keeping the good stuff for themselves ?
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Post by petea on Mar 4, 2019 16:24:14 GMT
There's a bit this article that talks about differences in block error rates in CDs 'pressed' in different fabrication plants. Maybe you are hearing the impact of error correction on read-back. www.stereophile.com/content/cd-jitter-errors-magic-page-3I have some duplicate CDs from buying in the UK and Germany as well as the old box set resulting duplications (and a few from being too stupid to realise I'd already bought it too), but I have never done a comparison. I should try at some point. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2019 16:30:53 GMT
a few from being too stupid to realise I'd already bought it. LOL, I have done that quite a few times myself, I think anyone with a largish collection must fall foul of it now and again. |
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Post by nrg on Mar 4, 2019 16:38:15 GMT
I think it will be something as simple as a different approach used in the mastering or difference in master tape quality.
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Post by speedysteve on Mar 4, 2019 17:10:14 GMT
Hehe, "Woehoewoe listen to the music" As the Doobie Brothers once sang. Bin the one you like least  or better still like the remastered version on Spotify even more, if there is one.. |
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Post by MikeMusic on Mar 5, 2019 11:38:34 GMT
I think it will be something as simple as a different approach used in the mastering or difference in master tape quality. Being a simple punter I assumed they would take what they had and knock out CDs rather than fiddle around with it in any way. Micromanaging to achieve less. In 2004 in Argentina can it only have been digital anyway ? This specific album is already a remix/remaster of the original Bajofondo Tango Club album Presente which itself may never have seen tape. Ok. So maybe a file they twiddled with... Why do more work and bring the quality down a touch ? |
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Post by MartinT on Mar 5, 2019 11:45:39 GMT
I have a CD of Phil Collins' Hello, I Must be Going which I bought in Germany around 1984. It has always sounded punchy and dynamic. A friend commented on it and we played his UK-bought CD. It sounded different - flat and rather dull. Different mastering, I guess.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2019 11:50:03 GMT
This is to do with the pressing plant quality control and how often the heads are replaced if they are running from the identical second generation master copies, just good house keeping. The same for any optical media, I have three copies of the original Blade movie on DVD (don't ask why  ) and yet one is head and shoulder above the other both in terms of picture and sound quality this copy was manufactured in Italy in 2000, the others are Germany versions. This is why I do not use any optical media these days if possible, even video games I download, ut I do have a 300meg pipe so appreciate not the same for everyone. |
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Post by MikeMusic on Mar 5, 2019 13:59:08 GMT
Hehe, "Woehoewoe listen to the music" As the Doobie Brothers once sang. Bin the one you like least or better still like the remastered version on Spotify even more, if there is one.. Which raises a point about Spotty Which version do they have and how many are there ? Japanese pressings have always had a good press, pun intended What other countries or areas have a reputation for good quality ? |
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Post by MikeMusic on Mar 5, 2019 14:03:39 GMT
I have a CD of Phil Collins' Hello, I Must be Going which I bought in Germany around 1984. It has always sounded punchy and dynamic. A friend commented on it and we played his UK-bought CD. It sounded different - flat and rather dull. Different mastering, I guess. Luck of the draw for me buying 2nd hand. One expects Germany to be good. UK ? |
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Post by MikeMusic on Mar 5, 2019 14:05:02 GMT
This is to do with the pressing plant quality control and how often the heads are replaced if they are running from the identical second generation master copies, just good house keeping. The same for any optical media, I have three copies of the original Blade movie on DVD (don't ask why ) and yet one is head and shoulder above the other both in terms of picture and sound quality this copy was manufactured in Italy in 2000, the others are Germany versions. This is why I do not use any optical media these days if possible, even video games I download, ut I do have a 300meg pipe so appreciate not the same for everyone. Have a look next time you are over. Would appreciate your thoughts |
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Post by MartinT on Mar 5, 2019 14:16:57 GMT
If you read the tiny print next to the hub of the CD it will often tell you where the disc was pressed.
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Post by MikeMusic on Mar 5, 2019 16:30:55 GMT
Will have a look with super glasses on.
One obvious answer to this is the original was kept and a not so good copy was sent for us Euros
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Post by SteveC on Mar 8, 2019 19:26:30 GMT
I have two Bajofondo Tango Club presents Supervielle. Everyone should ! The standard UK version, I think, dated 2005 "Made in the EU" is wonderful as we know The 2004 one, made in Argentina is subtly better. What happened there then and at what point ? Are these foreign types keeping the good stuff for themselves ? Phewww! Just checked and I bought the Argentinian import!  |
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Post by MikeMusic on Mar 8, 2019 19:45:27 GMT
There was me thinking I must have super rare *Argentinian* import. Wonder if they shipped a load over before committing to pressing them here Now you need to grab all their others ! Checking exactly which ones I have as slightly confused, as you may become Allmusic.com Bajofondo |
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Post by MikeMusic on Mar 8, 2019 19:56:31 GMT
If you read the tiny print next to the hub of the CD it will often tell you where the disc was pressed. Argentina - not surprisingly and Germany - surprisingly. Does the Tango not trnslate ? |
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Post by MikeMusic on Mar 9, 2019 9:38:28 GMT
Looking at Discogs I see 4 versions
Argentina 2004
Ukraine 2005
Europe 2005
US 2005
Be interesting to know how they compare.
Is Ukraine a big market for music ?
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Post by zippy on Mar 9, 2019 9:41:46 GMT
This is to do with the pressing plant quality control and how often the heads are replaced if they are running from the identical second generation master copies, just good house keeping. The same for any optical media, I have three copies of the original Blade movie on DVD (don't ask why ) and yet one is head and shoulder above the other both in terms of picture and sound quality this copy was manufactured in Italy in 2000, the others are Germany versions. This is why I do not use any optical media these days if possible, even video games I download, ut I do have a 300meg pipe so appreciate not the same for everyone. Always used to be, especially for vinyl. In 'the old days' it was often the case that DG issues that came from Germany had better sound quality than the UK version. I don't see why CD's shouldn't be the same. |
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Post by MikeMusic on Mar 9, 2019 9:55:07 GMT
For this Argentina outdoes Germany
My money would be on Germany being the best. Not so this time at least
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Post by Stratmangler on Mar 9, 2019 10:09:27 GMT
Different glass masters? Different opacity with the polycarbonate? Both would have an effect. Don't forget, commercial CDs are stamped, not "burned".
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or better still like the remastered version on Spotify even more, if there is one..
) and yet one is head and shoulder above the other both in terms of picture and sound quality this copy was manufactured in Italy in 2000, the others are Germany versions.
