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Post by danielquinn on Jul 29, 2014 15:15:39 GMT
if you believe active brain fends of Alzheimer's then logically you MUST believe suffers are partially responsible for their own condition .
This as profound consequences which are similar to the obesity , poor and unemployed debates , For me it is just more "blaming the victim" rhetoric .
Additionally , what is an active brain , the whole concept is bonkers . Why is reading better than watching telly , if you image the brain I bet the same "activity" is required to watch tv as to read , in fact tv involves listening and watching so It probably requires more brain processes .
So what is that keeps a brain active and fends of Alzheimer's , is learning Chinese better than French , is studying for a phd better than an A'level , is keeping your brain active by rebuilding a turntable or turning all your intention to copping of with the merry widow next door better .
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Post by Chris on Jul 29, 2014 15:51:55 GMT
So would you prefer to leave your ageing parents plonked down vegging out in front of a tv or would you prefer them doing active and involving stuff? It's a no brainer to me.
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Post by danielquinn on Jul 29, 2014 15:56:54 GMT
I would prefer from them to do what they want to do. And preference is not efficacy .
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Post by pre65 on Jul 29, 2014 15:57:39 GMT
if you believe active brain fends of Alzheimer's then logically you MUST believe suffers are partially responsible for their own condition .
This as profound consequences which are similar to the obesity , poor and unemployed debates , For me it is just more "blaming the victim" rhetoric .
One day we will be better informed.
One way or another (sometimes without being aware) we all make choices every day about how our life progresses, and being really positive is a good start.  |
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Post by Chris on Jul 29, 2014 16:01:54 GMT
I would prefer from them to do what they want to do. And preference is not efficacy . And what if they can't make that decision rationally? This is a problem faced every day by hundreds. |
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Post by Dave on Jul 29, 2014 16:17:50 GMT
Mr Pratchett has planned ahead before succumbing to the condition completely, I have great respect for the guy...
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Post by Dave on Jul 29, 2014 16:25:40 GMT
To clarify, I've had personal experience with Alzheimers in regards to a family member, my grandfather. He never owned a telly in his life, he was very active, enjoyed listening to and playing music, owned his own business and drank real ale and smoked the odd cigar...
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Post by danielquinn on Jul 29, 2014 17:23:41 GMT
I would prefer from them to do what they want to do. And preference is not efficacy . And what if they can't make that decision rationally? This is a problem faced every day by hundreds. Yes it is. And I would prefer them to find their own best option. Without feeling inadequate or a failure by falling to conform to a prescriptive narrative that is more vested interest than evidence based. The world is full of prescriptive narratives that make people feel inadequate is if not followed. You can't have a relative die young these days unless you ensure a public flower memorial and charitable foundation quickly follow. The problem is most of the prescriptions have v questionable efficacy. |
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Post by chukka on Jul 29, 2014 17:46:45 GMT
You seem to know ! But I don't understand the logic, sorry ??
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Post by pre65 on Jul 30, 2014 5:53:47 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2014 7:50:03 GMT
I have no TV, don't go to the pub.
How come I'm going doolallly?
My mother sunk into total unresponsiveness before she died. I'm hoping that bit of my genetic inheritance isn't active. Got to go chop wood now.
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Post by MikeMusic on Jul 30, 2014 9:39:48 GMT
if you believe active brain fends of Alzheimer's then logically you MUST believe suffers are partially responsible for their own condition .
This as profound consequences which are similar to the obesity , poor and unemployed debates , For me it is just more "blaming the victim" rhetoric .
Additionally , what is an active brain , the whole concept is bonkers . Why is reading better than watching telly , if you image the brain I bet the same "activity" is required to watch tv as to read , in fact tv involves listening and watching so It probably requires more brain processes .
So what is that keeps a brain active and fends of Alzheimer's , is learning Chinese better than French , is studying for a phd better than an A'level , is keeping your brain active by rebuilding a turntable or turning all your intention to copping of with the merry widow next door better .
To be frank , it is absurd . Probably I remember an article I read many years ago that connected childhood cancer with parent's smoking. That disappeared, maybe disproved or maybe they didn't want to make the parents feel bad Which is best ? Dunno. Surely some (most ?) TV is utter drivel, but something like Only Connect fires up all sorts of brain cells. All things I have seen on the subject of brain decay say us it or lose it Hugely overweight people die younger. Bound to be exceptions like there are with the smokers (who all seem to have an uncle who smokes/ed 80 Capstan Full Strength every day and lived to 150) New Scientist delivers a lot of proven cases and leading edge what ifs |
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Post by MikeMusic on Jul 30, 2014 9:42:14 GMT
I thought it was accepted that drinking to excess killed brain cells. Assuming that to be true this isn't a huge surprise |
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Post by MikeMusic on Jul 30, 2014 9:43:49 GMT
I have no TV, don't go to the pub. How come I'm going doolallly? My mother sunk into total unresponsiveness before she died. I'm hoping that bit of my genetic inheritance isn't active. Got to go chop wood now. I do plenty of daft things Still seem to be hanging onto sanity so far though Some may disagree |
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Post by danielquinn on Jul 30, 2014 9:53:50 GMT
Drivel is subjective , I doubt very much [in terms of biological function and use ] your brain can distinguish between watching on TV a Poliakoff production and Post Man Pat .
Personally i'm 91.2% sure listening to classical music will kill me .
It is a large and illegitimate jump from "use your brain or lose it" , to some middle class wanky definition of what using your brain actually means in order to gain some sense of superiority and satisfaction . [ for the avoidance of doubt , this does not refer to you , it refers to the current narrative about using your brain to fend of alzhimers ]
I'm pretty sure the new scientist would not endorse such cultural snobbery .
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Post by pre65 on Jul 30, 2014 10:00:21 GMT
Daniel, I accept and respect your right to believe in anything you wish, but can you tell me if there is anywhere in this wide world of ours where Marxism is working as you would like ?
Not a trick question, just interested.
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Post by danielquinn on Jul 30, 2014 10:02:52 GMT
Yep , my house  |
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Post by pre65 on Jul 30, 2014 10:11:20 GMT
Yep , my house  |
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Post by danielquinn on Jul 30, 2014 10:12:51 GMT
P.s - respecting someones right to believe anything they wish is very post modern and is not the be encouraged . On the whole , I dont respect peoples rights to be believe rascist , sexist or right wing ideas  |
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Post by Dave on Jul 30, 2014 11:44:02 GMT
As Karl Marx encouraged people to question 'everything' then his own doctrines are fair game in this respect too, not that I would question them myself as I simply don't know enough about them.
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