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Post by John on May 6, 2018 5:24:00 GMT
A lot of positive comments about Qobuz but like Martin will have to wait for a plug in before I try I also heard rumours about Spotify going Hirez and also being integrated with Roon If that happens I would consider trying the SOTM 200 Ultra
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Post by jandl100 on May 6, 2018 5:39:17 GMT
>> I'm Andrew. Formerly Singularity/Spica here. Aha! Hi Andrew. ____ Gosh, folks, all these Roons and plug-ins. I haven't a clue what you are talking about! If they mean you can't use stuff without them being available, wtf is the point of them? I just swing a cable across from my laptop and play da moozik. Hmm, maybe they are runes and you need to sacrifice a virgin for it all to work. Tricky to find one these days, though.
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Post by MartinT on May 6, 2018 6:42:25 GMT
They're just solutions to allow remote control without a flying USB cable, Jerry. I can use my small tablet running Spotify to control the music from the Pi.
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Post by jandl100 on May 6, 2018 7:10:45 GMT
Ah, OK. Fair enough. I have enough cables flying around my man cave that one more makes no difference!
And I don't have a music server in my loft to integrate the streaming with.
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Post by John on May 6, 2018 8:49:38 GMT
I moved away from my W10 fanless server The pi now sounding better even with all the extras I threw at it so means I do not have the luxury of trying different music services. But okay with that as I have access to so much music and discovering music again, which is where I am my most happiest.
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Post by MikeMusic on May 6, 2018 9:25:58 GMT
If Spotify goes even higher res and we can hear the difference that should put it above CD....... End of story for serious listeners ?
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Post by jandl100 on May 6, 2018 9:28:50 GMT
Spotify does need to start making a profit at some point.
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Post by MartinT on May 6, 2018 12:22:57 GMT
Let's not forget that. Or the terrible possibility that they get bought by one of the giants like Google or Apple.
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Post by Chris on May 6, 2018 18:12:05 GMT
Spotify does need to start making a profit at some point. It'd be nice if they stopped ripping folk off too....
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Post by Slinger on May 6, 2018 19:39:12 GMT
I'm a total convert to the Church of Pi, but I'm not sure I could face making my fairly large (2000+ vinyl albums, the same number of 12" and 7" singles, plus Gawd knows how many CDs, but probably about the same number again, not to mention my shed loads of audio files) collection obsolete by going over to streaming. Admittedly there's quite a large chunk of my collection that is not, nor ever will be, available on the streaming services, but...naaaah! I still like the 'tactile' side of things too.
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Post by Stratmangler on May 6, 2018 19:47:40 GMT
If Spotify goes even higher res and we can hear the difference that should put it above CD....... End of story for serious listeners ? Spotify doesn't sound as good as a CD rip. It can sound very good, especially after a bit of DSP manipulation, but it doesn't achieve the same standard as a secure CD rip.
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Post by MartinT on May 6, 2018 21:56:04 GMT
It'd be nice if they stopped ripping folk off too.... Ripping folk off how?
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Post by MikeMusic on May 7, 2018 14:14:45 GMT
If Spotify goes even higher res and we can hear the difference that should put it above CD....... End of story for serious listeners ? Spotify doesn't sound as good as a CD rip. It can sound very good, especially after a bit of DSP manipulation, but it doesn't achieve the same standard as a secure CD rip. I find little difference between Spotty and CD and it can vary with either being best. If Spotty is coming up a level then that should change in their favour. For serious music fans without a large collection Spotty can deliver most of what they want for £10 a month. If you already have a large collection and buy CDs cheap that's not so cost effective
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Post by Chris on May 7, 2018 19:36:26 GMT
Just google Spotify rip off MartinT there's lots of examples
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Post by Stratmangler on May 7, 2018 20:13:34 GMT
Spotify doesn't sound as good as a CD rip. It can sound very good, especially after a bit of DSP manipulation, but it doesn't achieve the same standard as a secure CD rip. I find little difference between Spotty and CD and it can vary with either being best. If Spotty is coming up a level then that should change in their favour. For serious music fans without a large collection Spotty can deliver most of what they want for £10 a month. If you already have a large collection and buy CDs cheap that's not so cost effective I have bought a number of CDs after hearing them first on Spotify, and in every case the ripped CD files sound better than the Spotify stream. No exceptions. And that's even with the DSP manipulation that takes place with the LMS Spotty plugin, which succeeds in making Spotify sound very, very good. It doesn't matter what DSP you shove a 320kbps stream through - it lacks data because of its initial lossy compression, and it can't be rebuilt once it has been lossily compressed. Once that data is gone it's gone. Increase the bit depth - that adds a whole lot of 0s to it. Change the sample rate - that adds another load of 0s to it. It is enough to fool a simple logic circuit so that it changes its out of band filtering, and this is what happens. A simple CD/DSPed Spotify comparison is about as useful as comparing a banana to an Aardvark.
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Post by MartinT on May 7, 2018 20:28:20 GMT
Just google Spotify rip off MartinT there's lots of examples Ah, internet shite. I thought for a moment you were suggesting something serious going on? Spotify is not ripping me off, I knowingly and happily pay my monthly premium. Spotify is hardly ripping artists off as they are still making a loss. Point your finger at the greed of record companies and I might agree with you. Goodness knows how Spotify have navigated the assault course of record company contracts and royalties but they must have strong stomachs.
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Post by MartinT on May 7, 2018 20:35:36 GMT
A simple CD/DSPed Spotify comparison is about as useful as comparing a banana to an Aardvark. That's as maybe, but it's valid when I'm sitting down listening to my CDs and comparing them with upsampled 320k Ogg from my player. In most cases, they're about as close as makes little or no difference. In a few cases, the CD sounds noticeably better. In fewer cases (example: ELP's Brain Salad Surgery), Spotify sounds better than the CD. It's going to vary depending on how/where Spotify got the master for ripping into Ogg from, and where/which release the CD came from. I'm saying this as a previous compressed music sceptic. It's no good saying that my SACD player is useless, either. I'm just reporting what I hear and Spotify continues to startle me with its quality. Just this evening I was listening to the Jimmy Page remaster of Led Zeppelin II on Spotify, just for kicks. It's truly stunning.
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Post by John on May 7, 2018 20:50:34 GMT
I found the medium that Spotify is played back makes a big difference. In Windows not so good and would of said files are a lot better. These days I would say the difference is not worth worrying about, although I still give the edge to files. What is a deal breaker for me is the amount of music I am discovering
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Post by Stratmangler on May 7, 2018 21:25:16 GMT
Martin - BSS being improved by having lossy compression applied to it I'm prepared to believe It always was a ropey recording. I use lossy compression for the music files I have on my phone, only in my case they're AAC @ 320kbps CBR - I find that AAC does a decent job of covering its tracks. Wiki is pretty good on the info wrt the where's and why's of development of OGG - scroll down to the bit about quality en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VorbisJohn - the Windows thing is down to the OS placing audio playback down the pecking order for system resources, which is why I wouldn't use a Windows machine for Spotify playback. That, and Spotify do not want to understand that people want to get decent performance by making the web interfacing work with ASIO and WASAPI compatibility.
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Post by Chris on May 8, 2018 20:46:01 GMT
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