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Post by MartinT on Apr 27, 2018 23:08:21 GMT
I have a couple of HDCDs and no means to play them properly decoded since I sold my Assemblage DAC with the necessary Pacific Microsonics chip a long time ago.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2018 3:31:22 GMT
I was using a Cambridge 'S700' isopmagic that had a HDCD Chip innit..
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2018 10:54:13 GMT
I have a couple of the hdcd cd's they were nicely produced, the chip was made by Pacific Microsonics in the mid 90's
However they key is in the transfer from the original master recordings to what ever format is being used get this right and it would pretty special on whatever you play it on.
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Post by MartinT on Apr 28, 2018 11:24:54 GMT
One of the best HDCDs I know, which also sounds superb undecoded, is Spirit by Jewel.
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Post by Mr Whippy on Apr 28, 2018 13:29:46 GMT
The Bee Gees' double of hits is HDCD and sounds more than rather good undecoded. Some of Mike Oldfield early albums were HDCD but didn't sound anything special undecoded. Scott Walker's first four albums were also on HDCD and sound pretty good undecoded.
Found this on YouTube last night. His video on 70's soundtracks is interesting. One on a mains filter that I haven't watched yet:
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2018 13:48:10 GMT
I’ve recently forced JRMC to convert everything to 24/192 to avoid the sample rate switching noise from my fav between albums. Can’t say I heard any difference.
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Post by Slinger on Apr 28, 2018 13:59:20 GMT
I’ve recently forced JRMC to convert everything to 24/192 to avoid the sample rate switching noise from my fav between albums. Can’t say I heard any difference. Again, the sort of info I'm after. If people with "better" kit than me aren't hearing differences at various different settings then the chances are I won't either.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2018 14:03:51 GMT
I’ve recently forced JRMC to convert everything to 24/192 to avoid the sample rate switching noise from my fav between albums. Can’t say I heard any difference. Again, the sort of info I'm after. If people with "better" kit than me aren't hearing differences at various different settings then the chances are I won't either. Hi Slinger, please use this only as an information point, there are no absolutes in this game! It’ll be interesting to see what the takeaway from the group is, if the g2g session happens.
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Post by Slinger on Apr 28, 2018 14:13:03 GMT
Hi Slinger, please use this only as an information point, there are no absolutes in this game! To extend the analogy, possibly to its breaking point, the more information points I have the more accurate will be the graph I can draw using them. That's why I asked for 'thoughts' rather than solutions. Any and all input is appreciated, but it's just up to me to sift it for what I consider relevancy.
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Post by MartinT on Apr 28, 2018 14:25:33 GMT
Just to muddy the waters, I find 24/96 upsampling to sound better than 24/192. It's going to be very algorithm and DAC dependent.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2018 14:36:45 GMT
When everything’s settled back into place in my rig I’ll do some more experimentation.
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Post by Stratmangler on Apr 28, 2018 17:02:59 GMT
Just to muddy the waters, I find 24/96 upsampling to sound better than 24/192. It's going to be very algorithm and DAC dependent. That probably says more about the lack of processing capability of the RasPi than anything else
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Post by MartinT on Apr 28, 2018 17:51:48 GMT
It's possible but I would have expected to hear glitches as I did with the Pi 1 & 2.
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Post by Stratmangler on Apr 28, 2018 17:57:43 GMT
What's it like playing native 24/192 files at their native frequency? That should be fairly trivial, just throughputting a stream without any unnecessary calculations occurring on top ...
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Post by John on Apr 28, 2018 18:08:27 GMT
My WAV files sounded good with higher bit rates but Spotify got worse after 24/96 as I mostly stream I am keeping to this.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2018 18:54:31 GMT
Do you think peoples perception of how Digital is sounds is not how music is suppose to sound..
I find a lot of Digital very bright & no way natural sounding as say a top notch record deck would sound. The whole brightness/Tone etc just seems artificial to me. In no way does the sound have the same tone signature as say me speaking to another person in the same room. Ive always used Digital for convenience no way on earth have i ever taken the sound as a serious sound i can just be very lazy, my present system idea is the result of idleness.
They need to be concentrating more into Analogue, i confident there is a lot more to be had from it. However Digital is where the money is & that is the most important factor, as long as sheep are sheep hey ho, Digital wins the day.
Me thinks people are searching for something, end result being something that is not right, but for some strange reason its telling their brains its an improvement! However so called Advances in Sound technologies has to go through the motions..
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Post by MartinT on Apr 28, 2018 19:04:46 GMT
That's the trick with digital playback. Done badly, it sounds harsh, edgy and without any depth. As you start to achieve a high level of performance (which requires attending to everything), it becomes natural and analogue-like. For me, good digital is like good vinyl. The recording becomes the final arbiter of the sound, not the format.
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Post by John on Apr 28, 2018 19:09:49 GMT
I agree takes effort to get digital to sound natural. But these days I get no sense of harshness. I have a top rate TT and have not used it for a few years. I thought you no longer liked analogue with regards to getting the best sound?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2018 19:11:55 GMT
close but no cigar
For example ive tried endless CD issues, File rips you name it of the Drums at the end of King Crimson "In The Court Of The Crimson King" title track. No one single digital signal sounds like the Numerous Analogue pressings of it.. That is just one example..
Digital is aa imitation of the real thing its as simple as that. A imitation is inferior no matter how you candy coat it with sample rates & bit depths
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2018 19:14:23 GMT
I agree takes effort to get digital to sound natural. But these days I get no sense of harshness. I have a top rate TT and have not used it for a few years. I thought you no longer liked analogue with regards to getting the best sound? I love Analogue. The frustration lies with Record noise, im an headphone listener. Impossible to get a totally noise free records, Hiss free tapes. I use Digital for convenience but dont take it seriously
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