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Post by pinkie on Nov 18, 2017 16:14:42 GMT
Surely Chris there is no need to think about locking. I appreciate its your forum, and maybe I missed some nuance, but whilst there is an obvious divide of opinions, there is nothing nasty or sinister on this thread.
It's not like most people aren't aware of the personalities and issues.
I was struck by Slingers interest in a definition of shill - having first looked it up when being accused of it myself. I think it fair to add a context to the definition of the word when used in HiFi forums - as Andrew did. Effectively Mr Dunn and the HFS team have reinvented the word, and we all appear to be stuck with it.
There is probably too much paranoia about the whole thing I think. I suspect a lot was a pot calling a kettle black.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2017 16:24:30 GMT
Im a member of HFS (Newbie here) and even I must admit.......
Perhaps best not jump in (on second post) trying to resurrect the old NVA loan scheme.
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Post by ChrisB on Nov 18, 2017 16:26:22 GMT
No, as I said, I don't want to lock it unless I have to.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2017 16:34:18 GMT
It was tried here before, and I thought TAS took a brave step to entertain it in the past, if I remember correctly....
TAS members.......50% in favour.
NVA members.......100% in favour.
TRADE members.....01% in favour.
Strange one to call..You can please some people some of the time
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2017 16:41:46 GMT
what about AOS.
are they in favour?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2017 16:43:16 GMT
what about AOS. are they in favour? I’d doubt it. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2017 16:45:11 GMT
One of those definitions describes precisely what has happened here: Exactly what I was going to quote. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2017 17:07:55 GMT
what about AOS. are they in favour? To be honest Karns, I think the majority of posting members were in favour....But with Marco ruleing the roost like the Walking Deads "Negan"........ It was never gonna happen. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2017 18:25:14 GMT
Having just looked at HFS again (it has been a while) I see RD is still exaggerating things a bit.
Personally, I would like to take him up on his offer and rejoin HFS, and let the past stay in the past. I wonder if that really would happen. I don’t hate the bloke. How could I? I have never met him....
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2017 18:52:59 GMT
Well best of luck with that one Wonky.
But judging by you two's previous love affair across the forums I wouldn't hold your breath.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2017 19:00:23 GMT
Apologies for my post but the opening post was very iffy if you ask me. Only if you jump to conclusions based on your imagination. If u say so |
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Post by MartinT on Nov 18, 2017 21:17:48 GMT
Just to set the record straight, this is NOT the interpretation of shilling that I intended... an accomplice of a confidence trickster or swindler who poses as a genuine customer to entice or encourage others. . . I do understand that nobody will apologise, people on forums rarely do, but at least consider this as a bit of free education and perhaps something that might give pause for thought before you do it next time. ...and if you really need an apology Slinger then I apologise. My usage was down to the following reason... a search on HFs brings up 55 pages of posts with the word "shilling" ...and I interpreted shilling as... a person who publicizes or praises something or someone for reasons of (self-interest, personal profit, or) friendship or loyalty. So, you see, it's down to over-use by HFS  I have no problem with the loan scheme continuing over at HFS and it's obvious for all to see that we don't promote the childish banning of NVA's name or products. However, RD's ongoing ban of our purchasing NVA equipment is tiresome and, ultimately, his loss. |
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Post by The Brookmeister on May 10, 2018 21:19:56 GMT
It was tried here before, and I thought TAS took a brave step to entertain it in the past, if I remember correctly.... TAS members.......50% in favour. NVA members.......100% in favour. TRADE members.....01% in favour. Strange one to call..You can please some people some of the time Who were the 1% of trade members as I was never asked and did not even know anything about any loan schemes then all of a sudden it was me who got it stopped!!!! As this thread died in November it obviously went down like a lead balloon. |
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Post by John on May 10, 2018 21:23:37 GMT
At the time we asked the trade if they wanted to be part of the scheme. No one else came forward.
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Post by ChrisB on May 11, 2018 6:56:34 GMT
Well, it wouldn't be the first time that the wrong end of the stick was firmly grasped in that part of forumland.
We offered the opportunity to other manufacturers to start a similar loan scheme but they declined. As we didn't want to become an NVA focussed forum, the existing loan scheme was stopped. It most certainly was not a case of other brands making some sort of threat or demand unless we put a stop to it. It also had nothing to do with our opinion of any brand or individual.
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Post by dsjr on May 11, 2018 7:33:14 GMT
It was tried here before, and I thought TAS took a brave step to entertain it in the past, if I remember correctly.... TAS members.......50% in favour. NVA members.......100% in favour. TRADE members.....01% in favour. Strange one to call..You can please some people some of the time Who were the 1% of trade members as I was never asked and did not even know anything about any loan schemes then all of a sudden it was me who got it stopped!!!! As this thread died in November it obviously went down like a lead balloon. I believe from memory that you were one of those who refused to participate - and I also seem to remember you did know all about it at the time!
I have nothing to do with it now. It seems to work rather well however and a harmless way of people getting to know products (or accessories) they'd not know otherwise unless they paid up front. They try it and pass on. If they like, they can purchase. In NVA's case, it's the BMU and baby amp package that is popular for people to try.
Maybe you should do the same with a selected small range of accessories - a mains cable or two and a fuse sample?
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Post by MartinT on May 11, 2018 8:15:14 GMT
No - we've tried it, didn't get the vendor support and won't be doing it again in a hurry.
Some ideas are good but just don't get the participation.
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Post by DaveC on May 11, 2018 11:40:30 GMT
At the time we asked the trade if they wanted to be part of the scheme. No one else came forward. I came forward and said no. Dave |
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