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Post by ant on Oct 13, 2017 17:51:52 GMT
I recently finished 2 restoration projects on a JVC QL-Y5F, and a JBE series 3. The JBE was the deck i was after a low mass arm for last week, and a mayware formula 4 was found for it. The JVC looked like this DSC_0631 by anthony cresswell, on Flickr and the JBE like this Jbe series 3 by anthony cresswell, on Flickr After a lot of graft, they are both finished, the JVC now looks like this Jbe series 3 restoration complete by anthony cresswell, on Flickr and the JBE like this Jbe series 3 restoration complete by anthony cresswell, on Flickr It took alot of work on both of them to get them back from the brink, but it was worth it. They are now both working perfectly. Not standard, I would call them sympathetically restored, and in keeping with the original designs. I wanted the JVC to look more modern, to bring it up to date, and the JBE to be as close as i could to the original design which is very very pretty and very well thought out. The Mayware was a period arm they was fitted to alot of them in place of the 3009, so that worked out well. Both of them together. Jbe + jvc by anthony cresswell, on Flickr I will need to make a small switch box so that i don't have to faff about plugging them in and out, and decide on another cart. The AT150sa will go on the JBE, and i want another to go on the JVC so i can use either or. If anyone has a cart they would move on lot me know, mm or mc is ok as i have a denon ha500 step up for mc I was going to sell one of them, but i cant bring myself to at the moment. The missus has used the JVC more in the last few weeks since it was finished than she has used a turntable in the last decade...... cheers ant
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Post by MikeMusic on Oct 13, 2017 17:56:00 GMT
Nice job. A craftsman at work !
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Post by John on Oct 13, 2017 18:04:03 GMT
Lovely work Thanks so much for sharing
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Post by ant on Oct 13, 2017 18:24:06 GMT
Ta very muchly :-)
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Post by MartinT on Oct 13, 2017 20:55:50 GMT
Nice work, ant. I like them both for different reasons: the JBE was a great deck very much of its time; the JVC, on the other hand, is timeless.
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Post by shuggie on Oct 15, 2017 10:23:18 GMT
Ant - have you restored the Mayware arm at all? I ask because a friend has one on a TD-160B and it’ turning into a bit of a pig to get a good sound out of it. I suspect that I need to clean out its damping chamber and refill it with a suitable grade of silicone fluid. Turntable Basics recommends 600k cst fluid, which seems awfully thick, so if you or anyone else has any thoughts on that, I’m all ears.
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Post by MartinT on Oct 15, 2017 10:43:52 GMT
It's a unipivot, isn't it? I think thicker fluid is used generally for unipivots, thinner for damping troughs. Except for SME that used incredibly thick fluid for its troughs.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2017 11:38:48 GMT
I never liked the Mayware on springy decks.. A German company call ATR used offer off ATR Badged Thorens 'TD160/II' in the 80's with Mayware & Hadcocks..
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Post by ant on Oct 15, 2017 11:59:29 GMT
The mayware was a box of bits originally so was completely rebuilt from the ground up. It has cardas litz wire in it and an output cable that is made up from van damm mic cable. Ive rewired 2 of them with litz from vic at transfi as I prefer that cable. I didnt rewire this one, but advised when it was rewired The sonus formula 4 I did was put on a td160 and was ok on there. 600,000 cs silicone fluid is far far too thick. Ive used a dash of 60,000cs silicone, not much, just a little in the bottom of the bearing. I filled the cup to the top then took it out with a cotton bud abit at a time till I was happy with it. Too much silicone fluid damps the crap out of the sound, kills dynamics. There is just enough in mine to cover the cone of the bearing pin but ymmv
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2017 12:15:27 GMT
Its important to make the internal wires longer than standard [Cartridge end] when rewiring the Mayware.
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Post by ant on Oct 17, 2017 15:14:53 GMT
I really can't decide between the 2. One is going to have to go at some point...... I have the shure m97xe in the jvc arm and the at150 sa in the mayware and both are really nice. Quite a nice problem to have, but a problem nonetheless.....
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2017 16:02:14 GMT
I know which i would Keep. Shame that JBE, SME mount has been butchered! Can you not get a new piece of Slate cut?
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Post by ant on Oct 19, 2017 20:30:01 GMT
I could cut a suitable piece of slate myself if I had a mind to as I have access to a large wetsaw with a diamond cutting disc and the correct sized diamond tools to drill all the holes out.
I might do that at some point.
I have solved the problem of buggering about plugging the decks in and out of the phono stage though, as I realised I had another phono stage.....
I built a new passive pre with 4 inputs on it from the excess bits I have from other builds, used an old alps carbon track concentric pot that came out of an old sharp tape deck that i'd been saving for a special occasion, and dug out my old musical fidelity x-lps.
The jvc has the shure m97xe on it which has always seemed a good match with the MF so is running through that, and the jbe/mayware/at150sa is running through the benedict audio hothead. Sorted. Its kinda like a his n hers setup as SWMBO will not go near the jbe, and has used the JVC for 5 or 6 albums just today, I haven't even had a chance to put anything on today......... Theres always a drawback :-) but at least there has been no Whitney sodding houston today......
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2017 21:32:25 GMT
Personally i would get a company to CNC machine & polish a piece. There is nothing worse than hand finishing IMHO. Looks a million times better done with CNC. In fact you do nOt have to stick to Slate, You could use Marble or granite. Just make sure you get both faces polished as a lot of places only used one face polished stock.. I remember J A Michell used to supply the Elec Reference deck in Marble, Bootifull www.michell-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/michell_electronic8.jpg Also remember the Denon Direct Drives in The Carerra style Marble top plinth i.ebayimg.com/images/i/182614821650-0-1/s-l1000.jpgGive the machinist the sizes how easy can it be & Not as expensive as you may think.
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Post by ant on Oct 19, 2017 21:37:50 GMT
It would cost more than the deck is worth
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2017 21:40:28 GMT
I had a Rega 3 plinth made in Marble about seven tears ago, was under £70..
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2017 21:43:15 GMT
That JBE is worth spending money on imho.. For starters those through holes for the feet fixings would go on a new plinth, they dont look nice..
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2017 16:48:05 GMT
I worked for JVC when we developed that deck, the ideal cart for it is a JVC MC-1 or MC-2e but I have not seen one in years. They were a direct coupled MC design with either a Shibata or elliptical stylus respectively. We also used the X2 with the set up. I like what you have done to the deck BTW.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2017 19:23:38 GMT
I had one of those JVC Mc's, Were they black with a curved front Stewart?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2017 19:31:17 GMT
It's a unipivot, isn't it? I think thicker fluid is used generally for unipivots, thinner for damping troughs. Except for SME that used incredibly thick fluid for its troughs. The Mayware silicone was hardly a fluid - more like a thick paste that came in a tube if I remember correctly. The Mayware arm did work well on a Thorens 160s which was inspired by the ATR mods.
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