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Post by MikeMusic on Jul 16, 2017 11:04:43 GMT
When I were a lad....
There were very few genres of music. Say half a dozen.
Then Progressive came along. Ok I like this, a lot.
Recent years we have split hairs so many times with the multiple genres and split and split.
To be accurate Prog needs splitting at least a bit. Certainly more than the labels I use.
Wonderful. Ok. Dire. Shite.
Much the same for Punk.
A lot of Punk bands just weren't.
As with Prog they were around when the label came out so they were the label.
Classical the same.
How many genres can we make ?
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Post by ChrisB on Jul 16, 2017 11:06:46 GMT
It's all just music.
So, two.
Music I like and music I don't.
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Post by MikeMusic on Jul 16, 2017 11:15:37 GMT
Almost agreed. I'd go to 5
Wonderful and sublime
Ok, worth having.
Er, not sure, leave it with me to investigate.
Not good
Horrid.
My comment is to see if there is useful info out there
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Post by Slinger on Jul 16, 2017 13:32:51 GMT
If you want a laugh try to run down how many genres and sub-genres there are of "metal" alone. Every one has it's adherents and every one of those people thinks it's useful to sub-divide the main genre over and over until they reach their idea of musical perfection. Apparently Spotify has 25 different "types" of metal, and that's barely scratching the surface. My own preferences are for Symphonic Metal, Operatic Metal (although that's sometimes thought of a sub-genre of Symphonic Metal) Folk Metal, Prog Metal and good old Heavy Metal, although there are a multitude of Heavy Metal sub-genres too. I'm also a fan of Melodic Metal, but that can sometimes be used as a label for the main genre from which Symphonic Metal and Operatic Metal etc. spring.
Play some Part Chimp or Cult of Luna (Sludge Metal) next to Nightwish or Apocalyptica (Symphonic Metal) and there would seem few, if any, similarities, but they are all "Metal" bands, so yes, I'd have to say that division and subdivision are not only useful, but probably necessary in many cases.
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Post by MartinT on Jul 16, 2017 15:04:52 GMT
My son played what they called melodic thrash metal, all I thought was 'yuck'. Skilful playing, but not nice to listen to.
I'll go with Chris, there's music I like and music I don't. Even I have trouble defining the 'why' of each!
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Post by MikeMusic on Jul 16, 2017 15:33:31 GMT
Funny that metal, which I reckon came out of prog has no sub genres I know of at all
Anyone ?
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Post by ChrisB on Jul 16, 2017 15:41:57 GMT
You're surely joking?
For those that like to put things in pigeon holes, here's one list...
1 Alternative metal
1.1 Derivatives of alternative metal
1.1.1 Funk metal
1.1.2 Nu metal
1.1.3 Rap metal
2 Avant-garde metal
3 Black metal
3.1 Derivatives of black metal
3.1.1 National Socialist black metal
3.1.2 Red and Anarchist black metal
3.1.3 Symphonic black metal
3.1.4 Viking metal
3.1.5 War metal
3.1.6 Blackgaze
4 Christian metal
4.1 Derivatives of Christian metal
4.1.1 Unblack metal
5 Crust punk
6 Death metal
6.1 Derivatives of death metal
6.1.1 Blackened death metal
6.1.2 Death 'n' roll
6.1.3 Melodic death metal
6.1.4 Technical death metal
7 Doom metal
7.1 Derivatives of doom metal
7.1.1 Death/doom
7.1.2 Drone metal
7.1.3 Funeral doom
7.1.4 Sludge metal
8 Extreme metal
9 Folk metal
9.1 Derivatives of folk metal
9.1.1 Celtic metal
9.1.2 Pirate metal
9.1.3 Medieval metal
9.1.4 Pagan metal
10 Glam metal
11 Gothic metal
12 Grindcore
12.1 Derivatives of grindcore
12.1.1 Deathgrind
12.1.2 Goregrind
12.1.3 Pornogrind
13 Industrial metal
14 Kawaii metal
15 Latin metal
16 Metalcore
16.1 Derivatives of metalcore
16.1.1 Melodic metalcore
16.1.2 Deathcore
16.1.3 Mathcore
17 Neoclassical metal
18 Neue Deutsche Härte
19 Post-metal
20 Power metal
21 Progressive metal
21.1 Derivatives of progressive metal
21.1.1 Djent
22 Speed metal
23 Stoner metal
24 Symphonic metal
25 Thrash metal
25.1 Derivatives of thrash metal
25.1.1 Crossover thrash
25.1.2 Groove metal
25.1.3 Teutonic thrash metal
26 Traditional heavy metal
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Post by SteveC on Jul 16, 2017 15:59:41 GMT
Chris,
You missed out "Scrap Metal!"
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Post by John on Jul 16, 2017 16:32:18 GMT
Genres in metal can be confusing I remember seeing a Documentary where Tony Iommni said he always thought Black Sabbath where hard rock
Metal roots go back to the 60s Mike Think the Kinks, Jimi Hendrix, The Cream, Blue Cheer, Yardbirds (New Yardbirds form into Led Zepplin) and then Black Sabbath and Deep Purple. If you think about early Black Sabbath they were called Earth and were basically a hard hitting Blues band, a lot of Sabbath sound was caused by Tony cutting off the tips of some of his fretting hand. He found it hard to play guitar in standard tuning, giving rise to that doomy guitar sound.
Blue Cheer first album goes back to 67 predating Progressive rock
In the press Black Sabbath first album was promoted as Progressive rock I guess at the time Genres were only starting to form and terms like Heavy Metal was not used back then.
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Post by zippy on Jul 16, 2017 17:39:12 GMT
Classical, Modern, Folk and Test
At least them's the four categories I've assigned all my albums to so I can browse them quicker.
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Post by Slinger on Jul 16, 2017 17:51:10 GMT
Funny that metal, which I reckon came out of prog has no sub genres I know of at all Anyone ? If you meant that you didn't think Prog had any sub-genres... Canterbury Scene Crossover Prog Eclectic Prog Experimental/Post Metal Heavy Prog Indo-Prog/Raga Rock Jazz Rock/Fusion Krautrock Neo-Prog Post Rock/Math rock Prog Folk Prog Related Progressive Electronic Progressive Metal Proto-Prog Psychedelic/Space Rock RIO/Avant-Prog Rock Progressivo Italiano Symphonic Prog Tech/Extreme Prog Metal Zeuhl There's a different view here...SaveSave |
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Post by MartinT on Jul 16, 2017 18:50:03 GMT
Classical, Modern, Folk and Test My cataloguing is even simpler: modern and classical. |
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Post by MikeMusic on Jul 16, 2017 19:00:36 GMT
Funny that metal, which I reckon came out of prog has no sub genres I know of at all Anyone ? If you meant that you didn't think Prog had any sub-genres... Canterbury Scene Crossover Prog Eclectic Prog Experimental/Post Metal Heavy Prog Indo-Prog/Raga Rock Jazz Rock/Fusion Krautrock Neo-Prog Post Rock/Math rock Prog Folk Prog Related Progressive Electronic Progressive Metal Proto-Prog Psychedelic/Space Rock RIO/Avant-Prog Rock Progressivo Italiano Symphonic Prog Tech/Extreme Prog Metal Zeuhl There's a different view here...SaveSaveThanks Paul. Thought it odd I had never seen a prog split before. My life is complete  |
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Post by MikeMusic on Jul 16, 2017 19:05:48 GMT
Genres in metal can be confusing I remember seeing a Documentary where Tony Iommni said he always thought Black Sabbath where hard rock Metal roots go back to the 60s Mike Think the Kinks, Jimi Hendrix, The Cream, Blue Cheer, Yardbirds (New Yardbirds form into Led Zepplin) and then Black Sabbath and Deep Purple. If you think about early Black Sabbath they were called Earth and were basically a hard hitting Blues band, a lot of Sabbath sound was caused by Tony cutting off the tips of some of his fretting hand. He found it hard to play guitar in standard tuning, giving rise to that doomy guitar sound. Blue Cheer first album goes back to 67 predating Progressive rock In the press Black Sabbath first album was promoted as Progressive rock I guess at the time Genres were only starting to form and terms like Heavy Metal was not used back then. Thanks I wasn't paying attention to genres at the time. My fancy was tickled when I thought about it |
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Post by MartinT on Jul 17, 2017 8:07:59 GMT
a lot of Sabbath sound was caused by Tony cutting off the tips of some of his fretting hand. He found it hard to play guitar in standard tuning, giving rise to that doomy guitar sound. An accident that gave rise to a whole new genre. I still love that first album of theirs, what a treat it is to put on occasionally. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2017 19:54:16 GMT
Like most music styles that have a short life span. 1969 - 1973 is all on needs to concentrate on. The era from say 1969 - 1970 is generally what i call crossover prog this is because it is still in its early stages of crossing over from Psychedelic Music. I also call this music Magpie Music as it borrows many different styles of music to make up this one new music form ie: Jazz influences. By 1973 these bands had passed the learning curve & generally got a bit too pretentious for their own good, not just the music but the stage performances, where the art rock title came from.
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Post by MartinT on Jul 30, 2017 20:17:05 GMT
I always think of Hawkwind and Pink Floyd as having been the creators of psychedelic rock, but I'm sure it's more complex than that.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2017 20:54:48 GMT
Floyd & Hawkwind are Not Prog however Hawkwind were sometime coined as Space Rock. They had a tendency to gel Space & Fantasy.
Just ignore all these silly pigeon Hole names. A proper progger knows what is prog & what is not.
I could list bands that people have a tendency to coin as Prog which are totally not.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2017 21:20:41 GMT
Here Martin, the only similarity between Tangerine Dream & Hawkwind
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Post by MartinT on Jul 31, 2017 10:52:06 GMT
Thanks, I'll listen to that now.
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