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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2017 21:25:45 GMT
Who does? I do, compared to Lossless files i have, Vinyl is a very medicore comparison, however i cannot live with listening to Digital.. so i put up with the vinyl playback. I have got rid of a hell of a lot of LP's this last year because i feel i listen to music less & less.
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Post by ynwan on Jun 3, 2017 7:06:18 GMT
So you can't listen to digital and so listen to vinyl even though you find it mediocre and then have sold lots of your LP's? Sorry, but none of that makes any sense.
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Post by MartinT on Jun 3, 2017 11:02:57 GMT
I played a friend a couple of CDs last night. It sounded magnificent. He mentioned vinyl, so I played him a record. It sounded magnificent.
I quite happily switch between formats... If it's recorded well, it sounds good.
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Post by Eduardo Wobblechops on Jun 3, 2017 11:17:00 GMT
Yes, can say the same since I got the Mytek dac. It's really moved on the digital side of my system, which now sounds as good or better than the vinyl.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2017 12:34:26 GMT
So you can't listen to digital and so listen to vinyl even though you find it mediocre and then have sold lots of your LP's? Sorry, but none of that makes any sense. LP's sound rubbish to me, always have done, however 12" singles are totally different imho. Albums i just find unbearable to listen to hence i put the majority of them up for sale. I find myself listening to 12" single exclusively these days. All i was trying to say is that if a digital albums sounds better than an old LP then the LP's are obviously medicore. I refuse to own a CD or CD player. & would rather just go without albums if need be. ofc i still own some old albums for old times sake, but thats about it.. i see myself in 5/6 years time not switching the stereo on again tbh. Don't go down the route of saying then your Turntable is no good because that is cobblers, the 12" singles would not sound so good if that was the case. I just cannot accept digital into my Audio world Does that make sense? Answers on a postcard please.
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Post by ynwan on Jun 3, 2017 12:48:04 GMT
No, not really. However, I assume you are a renamed Andre and that does make a bit more sense (of sorts).
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2017 12:57:30 GMT
Do you use a CD player?
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Post by MartinT on Jun 3, 2017 13:41:58 GMT
I couldn't live without my CD player because I have such a large collection of them. I also prefer CD or SACD as a format for classical music. For modern music, I am format agnostic. Tonally, CDs and records sound very similar in my system so I don't get too preoccupied with what I'm playing.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2017 13:48:15 GMT
Don't you find old pressings compared with the CD of the same album totally different SQ, you must do because i can? I do all sorts of add things. Like copy the digital source to tape via EQ to try make the album sound better than straight from the Vinyl.
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Post by MartinT on Jun 3, 2017 14:22:43 GMT
Nope. I was playing some original vinyl of Dire Straits and tonally they are very close to the original CDs (not the remasters). It's the same for much older material although sometimes a good CD remaster (e.g. the Jimmy Page Led Zeppelin CDs) trounces the original vinyl for dynamics and detail. If I play Abraxas on vinyl, for instance, it's superb, as is the SACD. Tonally they are very close indeed.
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Post by orbscure on Jun 3, 2017 14:46:01 GMT
Vinyl on the TD125 yesterday... 24bit flac files on my Korus server this morning and reissued Floyd CD's on the Roksan DP1/DA1 transport/DAC this afternoon... all sound good to me, some are more convenient, but I'm happy to embrace all formats and simply enjoy the music
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2017 15:33:04 GMT
Sorry lads i just don't buy it unless your listening to modern re-pressing. A lot of original LP are poor sounding pressings compared to the CD.
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Post by MartinT on Jun 3, 2017 19:16:57 GMT
My Abraxas I was referring to is original. Ditto Dire Straits and much other music I bought before CDs.
You're not going to like this, but I do think it's down to the turntable, cartridge and phono amp. You need to spend a lot to match a decent CD player.
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Post by Mr Whippy on Jun 3, 2017 20:00:14 GMT
Stick the radio on, Andrea. " How To Make An Archive On Radio 4" is on Radio 4 right now. It's a look at demonstration records.
Just finished. Very entertaining. I liked the clip on Slang and How To Train Your Budgie To Speak. Parlophone at one time had a talking budgie signed up. Good old George M.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2017 7:44:40 GMT
My Abraxas I was referring to is original. Ditto Dire Straits and much other music I bought before CDs. You're not going to like this, but I do think it's down to the turntable, cartridge and phono amp. You need to spend a lot to match a decent CD player. Then explain to me why my 12" singles sound so fantastic?
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Post by AlanS on Jun 4, 2017 7:54:36 GMT
I gave up on vinyl 3 years ago. It was after buying a nice Shibata stylus for the K9 in my LP12 and a superior power supply. I could now hear all the shortcomings of making music fit onto a 12" disc together with the damage that happens after the first and subsequent playings. I was listening to the medium as much as the music. Put a Pi and IQAudio DAC together and just listened to the music. Presentations due to recordings were different but no nasties due to what was played upon.
I was never blindly in love with vinyl, radio not tapes never clicked and scratched. It was the way to hear music years ago. I certainly wasn't into spending large sums of money and the time to check out then swap again to get better disc playing.
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Post by Clive on Jun 4, 2017 9:46:33 GMT
I have some sympathy for karney (surely not Mark Carney). If I'm in a OCD mood then listening to LP albums following 12" 45 singles is an unrewarding experience. I need to put some time between making the switch. There's more than one factor at play I, believe. Yes 45s are capable of sounding better than 33s. 45 singles of course can have wide grooves which offers great bass potential. My better 45s sound massively dynamic and open - full of life. The full of life aspect is similar to 78s but I digress. I think that mastering is in play here too, I suspect that often 45s are "juiced up" to sound more exciting - it works and I like it. When I compare audiofile 45 LPs (1 LP as a double 45) I don't get the same effect, the improvements I find are minor. This leads me to believe 45 singles have their mastering tampered with.
A downside of 45 singles I find is that they are often on thin vinyl which is warped.
I still very much enjoy 33s....just not straight after 45s.
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Post by MartinT on Jun 4, 2017 10:26:43 GMT
Then explain to me why my 12" singles sound so fantastic? Because the 45rpm speed is capable of greater dynamic range and more extended bass if the grooves are more widely spaced. But as Clive says, not all 12" singles sound great.
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Post by Clive on Jun 4, 2017 11:03:49 GMT
To clarify my "juiced up" mastering comment....by way of example Phil Collins 12inchers sound to me as though they are spiced up in the mid and lower bass. For a couple of examples of mastering that is "true" I'd cite Tori Amos and Dire Straits. In my view some 12" singles do little to take advantage of the format, others abuse it whilst the really good ones take full advantage of the technical superiority offer. The good ones can be really quite stunning.
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Post by MartinT on Jun 4, 2017 11:31:40 GMT
Yes, agreed. A stunner is the Yello 12" of The Race. So is Tina Turner's We Don't Need Another Hero. Sometimes, as you say, there seems to be little in it. Other times, some DJ dork has messed with it and made it considerably worse, like Peter Gabriel's Sledgehammer.
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