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Post by MartinT on May 15, 2017 13:42:58 GMT
By the way, when I was working with the Royal Hussars in Germany back in the 1980s, their Challenger tank targeting systems were still loaded from paper tape. When I queried it, they told me that it was safe from EMPs. Couldn't argue with them!
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2017 13:55:53 GMT
Bad Fallingbostel? Didnt know your were in the Forces Martin!
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2017 14:35:45 GMT
By the way, when I was working with the Royal Hussars in Germany back in the 1980s, their Challenger tank targeting systems were still loaded from paper tape. When I queried it, they told me that it was safe from EMPs. Couldn't argue with them! Amusing in a kind of strange but scary way. |
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Post by Slinger on May 15, 2017 17:08:39 GMT
By the way, when I was working with the Royal Hussars in Germany back in the 1980s, their Challenger tank targeting systems were still loaded from paper tape. When I queried it, they told me that it was safe from EMPs. Couldn't argue with them! Surely, unless everything inside the Challenger ran on clockwork the fact that the paper tape wouldn't be affected by an EMP burst means bugger-all as you'd have no system to load it to. The pulse would kill all of the electrics/electronics e.o.s.  |
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Post by MartinT on May 15, 2017 17:20:15 GMT
I think that may be the case only when powered up? In any case, you could say that a tank has 'adequate' shielding!
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Post by MartinT on May 15, 2017 17:21:33 GMT
Bad Fallingbostel? Didnt know your were in the Forces Martin! Fallingbostel, yes, and I wasn't. I was a civvy attached to them, deploying and looking after their Pertec computer systems. |
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Post by The Brookmeister on May 15, 2017 19:08:15 GMT
So very scary, the ransomware attack today. I know how easily it can happen and how fast it spreads. However, still using Windows XP after end of life and end of support is quite unforgivable. They've had 5 Operating Systems and about 10 years to plan and migrate away from it. It's probably a combination of the board not allocating sufficient resources and negligence by the top IT staff in not being insistent on doing the work, no matter what it takes. Today, I just feel for their IT staff. They have a lot of sleepless nights in front of them. Story here. Just a bunch of idiots simple as that, York trust as an example have 6000 PC's SIX THOUSAND COMPUTERS Quite ridiculous. A simple up-date would have stopped the NHS from getting the ransomware. |
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Post by MartinT on May 15, 2017 19:19:48 GMT
I agree, no excuses. I'll bet the resistance they got from middle managers to perform any updates was huge, though.
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Post by ChrisB on May 16, 2017 4:26:41 GMT
Imagine having to pay U$300 in bitcoins before you can launch a nuclear missile. It's OK for the US: Trump is the master of the business deal. He'd beat 'em down a bit and get a two for one or something. |
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Post by MartinT on May 17, 2017 7:38:26 GMT
Of some 300 domain machines that we look after, we started with a list of 58 'vulnerable' Windows 10 machines to update yesterday morning. These were missing the all-important MS17-010 security bulletin patches (KBs), despite being at Anniversary or later level. I'm glad to say that we're looking at only 16 left this morning, mostly in-progress or offsite. It's been a big load for a small team like ours and I expect that most IT teams in the country are feeling the pressure. |
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Post by MikeMusic on May 17, 2017 8:50:17 GMT
Had the users deliberately not updated ?
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Post by MartinT on May 17, 2017 10:16:45 GMT
Had the users deliberately not updated ? In a very few cases, although there's only so many times you can put a laptop to sleep and avoid the enforced restart. There are other factors: loss of connection to the WSUS server; laptops taken home and not returned for a period of time; machines in the office shut down overnight rather than being logged off; a few with Windows problems that needed attention before they would pick up updates; natural lag across the fleet. |
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Post by zippy on May 17, 2017 11:30:57 GMT
Had the users deliberately not updated ? If you'd worked in a University environment, you'd find that students will find every way possible to wreck their laptops and/or lose their data including avoiding updates which after a while probably fail anyway with such a huge backlog ! |
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2017 12:02:02 GMT
Not just a University, Zippy, we have found with our client, there have been a number of customers who could be argued to have deliberately not updated their machines, because they couldn't be bothered.
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Post by MartinT on May 17, 2017 12:43:52 GMT
Our students often mistreat their laptops (many of them expensive MacBooks) and rarely, if ever, make backups. It's always tears when they lose their work, which strangely seems to be far more frequent with MacBooks than with Windows machines. One of the worst aspects of MacOS is its wayward behaviour when it runs out of disk space, often corrupting everything. Of course, students gleefully fill them with photos, videos and crap without ever cleaning up.
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Post by MikeMusic on May 17, 2017 14:27:46 GMT
Had the users deliberately not updated ? In a very few cases, although there's only so many times you can put a laptop to sleep and avoid the enforced restart. There are other factors: loss of connection to the WSUS server; laptops taken home and not returned for a period of time; machines in the office shut down overnight rather than being logged off; a few with Windows problems that needed attention before they would pick up updates; natural lag across the fleet. But since March ? |
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Post by MartinT on May 17, 2017 14:33:48 GMT
Since those critical updates were released, yes. I'd say that is typical in any given fleet of computers, half of which are mobile.
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Post by MikeMusic on May 17, 2017 15:01:19 GMT
Ow.
Just remembered. Xerox used to say do not update Widnows as it may affect their software.
Not sure if they still do that. Great laugh if they do.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2017 15:09:08 GMT
Ow. Just remembered. Xerox used to say do not update Widnows as it may affect their software. Not sure if they still do that. Great laugh if they do. We have this with a number of the 3rd party suppliers to our client and honestly, just ignore them on the whole. |
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Post by MikeMusic on May 17, 2017 15:12:29 GMT
Ow. Just remembered. Xerox used to say do not update Widnows as it may affect their software. Not sure if they still do that. Great laugh if they do. We have this with a number of the 3rd party suppliers to our client and honestly, just ignore them on the whole. We had problems with Xerox software, probably caused by us updating, but the software support at Xerox not so good and they could scatter blame around quite well. |
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