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Post by Greg on Jan 5, 2017 12:39:58 GMT
I have the basic sonictransporter with the 1TB SSD storage. I see it is now listed at $799 (£649) which is a massive hike in price. I bought mine through a friend who ordered three or four. I think I paid him about £450, possibly £480 which is still relatively dear but I just love its functionality and small size with silent operation. There are crafty ways to get a cheaper Devialet. I searched the second hand market using this engine. www.hifishark.comI found one in Rotherham (nearly a 400 mile round trip for me) for £2200. When I got there to collect I found the packaging etc in poor condition so got £100 knocked off. I then sent it to Devialet for the 220 Pro upgrade which basically gave me a brand new amp with new packaging and a new five year warrantee. Total price was nearly £2000 cheaper than the new list price.
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Post by badsoden on Jan 5, 2017 15:03:38 GMT
Thanks for the tip Greg.
I was going to use a fanless NUC but these seemed a better option. I'll keep investigating.
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Post by John on Jan 5, 2017 16:44:10 GMT
In April we have The Asbo that Greg is going to be part off I am also bringging my fanless PC so a great opportunity to hear both approaches
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Post by badsoden on Jan 5, 2017 16:56:10 GMT
Where and when is that?
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Post by John on Jan 5, 2017 17:33:04 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2017 18:26:23 GMT
The dac in the Devialet's is pretty average imho in the last 18 months we have seen over fifteen of these units some through the doors for trade ups including a couple of pairs of the 800/1000 mono's A great attempt at getting audio into a neat look wife friendly package, we affectionately call it the Swiss army knife of audio all in one box and great looking two. Sound wise not so clever, a solid powerful, detailed punchy, but two dimensional sound not a bad stab at a PWM switcher, but no cigar. Though the respond really well to mains treatments and cabling, remember the Chord amps do as well, wonder what the common denominator is? A thinking man's Bose, great sales technique though, sound not good enough sir? well strap on another one it will sound wonderful As you can guess not a fan, but in fairness a great idea and it does sell, but there are a lot around used now so bargains to be had if this floats you boat. A very well know and respected high end speaker manufacturer uses a pair of the mono's (with speaker adjustment keyed in for his brand) at home he uses a more traditional amplifier design, in his words they generate a far more engaging, satisfying long term listen abilitysound which allows him to just listen to more music unhindered. However this game is all about personal taste and likes, one man's Ariel Atom is another man's idea of a hand grenade in a holly hobby dress! The remote on the top units is superb though I strongly suspect in the next 24 months some one will finally crack the PWM amplifier and correctly market and produce what was really possible a while ago but due to cost constraints wasn't produced. Now with components of a better quality, smaller, lifter more effective the conditions have changed. All of the above are my thoughts and opinions only, yours may have a different slant which is equally valid to you.
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Post by Greg on Jan 5, 2017 19:16:48 GMT
The dac in the Devialet's is pretty average imho in the last 18 months we have seen over fifteen of these units some through the doors for trade ups including a couple of pairs of the 800/1000 mono's A great attempt at getting audio into a neat look wife friendly package, we affectionately call it the Swiss army knife of audio all in one box and great looking two. Sound wise not so clever, a solid powerful, detailed punchy, but two dimensional sound not a bad stab at a PWM switcher, but no cigar. Though the respond really well to mains treatments and cabling, remember the Chord amps do as well, wonder what the common denominator is? A thinking man's Bose, great sales technique though, sound not good enough sir? well strap on another one it will sound wonderful As you can guess not a fan, but in fairness a great idea and it does sell, but there are a lot around used now so bargains to be had if this floats you boat. A very well know and respected high end speaker manufacturer uses a pair of the mono's (with speaker adjustment keyed in for his brand) at home he uses a more traditional amplifier design, in his words they generate a far more engaging, satisfying long term listen abilitysound which allows him to just listen to more music unhindered. However this game is all about personal taste and likes, one man's Ariel Atom is another man's idea of a hand grenade in a holly hobby dress! The remote on the top units is superb though I strongly suspect in the next 24 months some one will finally crack the PWM amplifier and correctly market and produce what was really possible a while ago but due to cost constraints wasn't produced. Now with components of a better quality, smaller, lifter more effective the conditions have changed. All of the above are my thoughts and opinions only, yours may have a different slant which is equally valid to you. That is nothing more than a trade competitors response full of inaccurate and devious misinformation. I do not believe your claims and frankly they cannot be factual in relation to the latest upgraded models as insufficient time or volume of kit is yet out there. You sir are referring (even then in a misinforming way) to out of date models. If that is you true perception of the Devialet performance, you clearly need to go back to school and learn how to set up a system correctly. I have no intention of starting a war on this. I will not respond beyond this message to any further nonsense from you, but in future it would be helpful when contributing to leave your trading prejudices, like a pair of soiled boots, outside the door before you enter.
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Post by Tim on Jan 5, 2017 20:55:08 GMT
There's an old saying that sometimes if you don't have anything positive to say, it's better to say nothing at all, especilly if you're trade. Note to self, never buy anything from Tonyc . . . I don't personally like that kind of behaviour on forums, just not cricket IMHO. You enjoy your Devialet Greg
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Post by Nick on Jan 5, 2017 21:34:13 GMT
They also rely on you having Roon and Tidal for streaming neither of which are cheap. I'd buy the SoTM in a heartbeat to replace my Pi if it did any of the other streaming services and didn't rely on Roon, but as is it's far too expensive and prohibitive to be of any use to me
Actually not quite true as uRendu can also use BubbleUPnP, HQPlayer, MPD/DLNA, Shairport, Sonore UPnP, Squeezelite, Squeezebox Server and ympd all of which have free as well as outrageously priced offerings.
Terrible these people they will want you to pay for music next.
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Post by Nick on Jan 5, 2017 21:42:34 GMT
The dac in the Devialet's is pretty average imho in the last 18 months we have seen over fifteen of these units some through the doors for trade ups including a couple of pairs of the 800/1000 mono's A great attempt at getting audio into a neat look wife friendly package, we affectionately call it the Swiss army knife of audio all in one box and great looking two. Sound wise not so clever, a solid powerful, detailed punchy, but two dimensional sound not a bad stab at a PWM switcher, but no cigar. Though the respond really well to mains treatments and cabling, remember the Chord amps do as well, wonder what the common denominator is? A thinking man's Bose, great sales technique though, sound not good enough sir? well strap on another one it will sound wonderful As you can guess not a fan, but in fairness a great idea and it does sell, but there are a lot around used now so bargains to be had if this floats you boat. A very well know and respected high end speaker manufacturer uses a pair of the mono's (with speaker adjustment keyed in for his brand) at home he uses a more traditional amplifier design, in his words they generate a far more engaging, satisfying long term listen abilitysound which allows him to just listen to more music unhindered. However this game is all about personal taste and likes, one man's Ariel Atom is another man's idea of a hand grenade in a holly hobby dress! The remote on the top units is superb though I strongly suspect in the next 24 months some one will finally crack the PWM amplifier and correctly market and produce what was really possible a while ago but due to cost constraints wasn't produced. Now with components of a better quality, smaller, lifter more effective the conditions have changed. All of the above are my thoughts and opinions only, yours may have a different slant which is equally valid to you. Have to say they are pretty ordinary with my second grade system as well. Must find a better system with lots of leads and weight and stands and setting up, Ooops I forgot that's what I had before.
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Post by Greg on Jan 5, 2017 21:45:28 GMT
Ha, ha, you are right. I did cover that earlier. Although I'm paying both Roon and Tidal for their services, since signing up, I've not bought a CD or an LP and my overall expenditure on music has reduced whilst my access to material and enjoyment has ascended.
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Post by Greg on Jan 5, 2017 21:58:23 GMT
You enjoy your Devialet Greg Thank you, Tim, I certainly am and will continue to do so. Best sound I've ever had and I love it. There are several good people here who have known me for many years and know the sound journey I have been on. I am confident that none of them would consider me a hifi numpty. They might of course have a few things to say quietly about some of my other characteristics, but a punter with poor listening skills would not be one of them
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Post by MartinT on Jan 6, 2017 7:12:45 GMT
I've not bought a CD or an LP and my overall expenditure on music has reduced whilst my access to material and enjoyment has ascended. I like that you've found a completely different path that makes you happy, Greg. At work, I operate like you with only Spotify Premium as a source. It's excellent and suits me perfectly.
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Post by John on Jan 6, 2017 8:11:47 GMT
I can happily listen to Spotify but will still buy the cd and download so I can listen at a deeper level For me Spotify is encouraging me to buy more music I know for some this is different
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Post by mikeyb on Jan 6, 2017 10:18:15 GMT
Amazing, I never knew about these. Which one plays Spotify with the same ease and functionality of the dedicated iOS and Android apps? And don't say Airplay it, what would be the point of buying a Rendu then using airplay lol. As for uPnP etc, my £30 Pi can do that but it still can't do Spotify properly, the £15 Chromecast is what I'm testing at the moment and that's not bad but not the audio quality of the Pi and will be miles away from the Rendu and SoTM, but for ease of use it does very well. I do BUY music, on CD, Lossless Downloads and LPs, I also Stream but that's just borrowing it isn't it I see you use a Mac Mini, a Rendu and a DAC, I'm wanting a system that removes 2 of those and that's the bind with Roon, not only is it expensive but you need at least two devices to run it. Be great if the likes of the Rendu or SoTM could have one section to run Roon core and an output section for Roon Ready as well.
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Post by MartinT on Jan 6, 2017 10:23:11 GMT
For me Spotify is encouraging me to buy more music For me, too. Anything I really like, I buy the CD.
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Post by mikeyb on Jan 6, 2017 10:49:27 GMT
For me Spotify is encouraging me to buy more music For me, too. Anything I really like, I buy the CD. Yip that's me too, I have found loads more artists initially via Tidal, Google Music and now Spotify (on Family sub so kids can use it too as they started out with Spotify). A quick listen, if I like it I buy it, on LP if I can, if not then CD and rip to Flac.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2017 12:24:24 GMT
That is nothing more than a trade competitors response full of inaccurate and devious misinformation. I do not believe your claims and frankly they cannot be factual in relation to the latest upgraded models as insufficient time or volume of kit is yet out there. You sir are referring (even then in a misinforming way) to out of date models. If that is you true perception of the Devialet performance, you clearly need to go back to school and learn how to set up a system correctly. I have no intention of starting a war on this. I will not respond beyond this message to any further nonsense from you, but in future it would be helpful when contributing to leave your trading prejudices, like a pair of soiled boots, outside the door before you enter. Hello Greg, Nice to see a robust response, I would like to say I certainly do not mention any other product as an alternative or substitute at all so no 'an other' suggestion on my part to make a sale from another product. So I would suggest that portion of your response is a little overstated. There are more Devialet's than you think here, a least four figures in number of the amount of the products in the UK, remember they have been on sale for at least five years here in the UK, I know of one dealer who has sold around 200 units (75 in one year alone all models) possibly more in that time, at one point Devialet could not supply the amount that was on order here in the UK prior to going direct to dealers instead of using Absolute sounds. A lot like yourself went down buy used and upgrade route, especially with the older models a nice option to add extra power and speaker control features for an outlay less than the cost of a new item. The last Devialet's (800 mono's) we took in trade came from a gent with Q1's he had them for about two years just didn't leave him with the sense of wanting to listen to music for long periods. His thoughts, originally started out with a 400 then had it upgraded and purchased another matching 800. So he wished to change for those reasons. He has a very respectable system more than capable of taxing the 800's. I know a little about about amplifier technology and a wee bit on how to physically set up a system and obtain the best performance given equipment, room and supporting circumstances. The previous post was purely my personal view, I do know exactly how they sound in a wide variety of circumstances and equipment, I just do not like the sound. The features, flexibility, build quality and the remote on the top models are totally first rate no quibble plus the do look very appealing and are incredibly wife friendly. They do sell well and you can see why its a very desirable product plus being backed by a company who worth is around 1Billion Euro's gives stability to the brand. Whats not to like? This forum is about expressing person opinions, very rarely do I this, everyone is entitled to say what they feel within reason I was just expressing mine. What I feel about the sound is my view. I would suggest for every one person that is not a fan of product 'a' you will find maybe 3 or 4 that are. For a simple, neat one box upmarket solution not many competitors out there and possible even less that spend that amount on advertising you would be pushed to find a more easier and good looking set up. So Greg honestly no need to get too defensive, I am not on a big Devialet downer, just expressing my opinion sorry if you felt I had the hammers out.
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Post by Nick on Jan 6, 2017 17:50:47 GMT
Amazing, I never knew about these. Which one plays Spotify with the same ease and functionality of the dedicated iOS and Android apps? And don't say Airplay it, what would be the point of buying a Rendu then using airplay lol. As for uPnP etc, my £30 Pi can do that but it still can't do Spotify properly, the £15 Chromecast is what I'm testing at the moment and that's not bad but not the audio quality of the Pi and will be miles away from the Rendu and SoTM, but for ease of use it does very well. I do BUY music, on CD, Lossless Downloads and LPs, I also Stream but that's just borrowing it isn't it I see you use a Mac Mini, a Rendu and a DAC, I'm wanting a system that removes 2 of those and that's the bind with Roon, not only is it expensive but you need at least two devices to run it. Be great if the likes of the Rendu or SoTM could have one section to run Roon core and an output section for Roon Ready as well. Well I suppose you are entitled to think its expensive but to me it was a cheap no brainer. If you look on it just as a method for streaming music then it may seem expensive but if you look at its many other abilities it is remarkably cheap.
I don't use Spotify so its of no interest to me.
It is a constantly growing and improving product which I bought in to at the beginning and love.
I removed all my extra boxes the other way by buying Devialet and getting rid of all the usual HiFi muddles.
Each to their own
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