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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2016 13:26:46 GMT
The CD is a Technics SL-P1200. I come out in a rash when people mention the 1200 word  However i did have a SL-P1000', I personally thought the '1000' was the best player they ever made at the time.. Re clocking never made a blind bit of notice to my ears. |
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Post by Mr Whippy on Dec 22, 2016 12:30:18 GMT
What's wrong with the SL-P1200?
I love the design. The first CD player I've had I have been happy with.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2016 11:12:35 GMT
Thanks for the info guys I will contact the companies mentioned in the new year for pricing etc . Unfortunately I do not have a poor high jitter CD transport to check out the difference and merits of Stans reclocking but from the comments think I may go ahead at some stage and reclock the CXC. My own school of thought is that I found a definite improvement in using Electric beach Rockin Rollers and also internal dampening the cd case on the CXC so I in line with MartinT comments I would assume a better quality transport would yield better results but guess thats a debatable subject in itself ! I suggest you look up the specs and the videos Cambridge put up about the CXC. It appears to be very good in this respect and I doubt fancy re-clocking will improve it. I am using one into an old bitstream Teac DAC that to my knowledge doesn't do the re-clocking built into most modern designs. In that context it is a vast improvement sound wise over the other players and transports I have used with it. |
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Post by pre65 on Dec 24, 2016 19:08:20 GMT
I have been trying to find a used Cambridge CXC transport, but now I see Richer Sounds have reduced the price to £249:99 so I've just ordered one.
Christmas prezzy to myself.  
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2016 20:35:15 GMT
Im all for Vintage & all that but for god sake done we think CD had its day good riddence. Not something i wanna remember.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2016 20:51:10 GMT
Two aspects of Hi=Fi is Vinyl & Tape & others to me is industry shite.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2016 15:57:47 GMT
Some still have music they want to play that isn't available on vinyl or at least hard to get. Unless you mean open reel, tape formats were not great.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2016 15:59:23 GMT
I have been trying to find a used Cambridge CXC transport, but now I see Richer Sounds have reduced the price to £249:99 so I've just ordered one.
Christmas prezzy to myself. I bought mine when they reduced it to the same price a couple months ago. |
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Post by MartinT on Dec 25, 2016 16:37:37 GMT
CD had its day good riddence. Not something i wanna remember. I used to think that CD would always be a second rate format with limited red book capability. I don't think that any more. It gives me a great deal of pleasure and I'll be happy to sweep up CDs in the way that vinyl was dead cheap 20 years ago. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2016 14:03:00 GMT
tape formats were not great. How do you work that out. Audio cassette may have got a bad name for itself due to the quality of Pre Recorded Cassette. However i have an original Nakamichi '700' Tr-Tracer machine that sounds better than my CD player when used with TDK 'SA-X'. I don't use the Nak thou im frightened of it breaking down. |
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Post by pre65 on Dec 26, 2016 14:06:24 GMT
tape formats were not great. How do you work that out. Audio cassette may have got a bad name for itself due to the quality of Pre Recorded Cassette. However i have an original Nakamichi '700' Tr-Tracer machine that sounds better than my CD player when used with TDK 'SA-X'. I don't use the Nak thou im frightened of it breaking down. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2016 14:09:31 GMT
Seen as every one ive owned has broken down O its yew again |
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Post by ant on Dec 26, 2016 14:31:25 GMT
It's something I might look at in the future to do to the Philips cd160 I'm playing with atm. I don't want to bugger about too much with this one as its condition is very good, if i can pick up another i might have a play with it.
I remember that the arcam delta 170.3 transport I used to have had a clock link via an optical cable so the transport clock and dac clock could be synced. That was using a black box 3 at the time.
I can't remember wether it made any difference though, T'was a long time ago
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2016 14:55:22 GMT
Might sound odd to some, but i modified one of my old Philips CD104 based CD player to Non over sampling machine. That was an improvement i could clearly hear.
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Post by MartinT on Dec 26, 2016 17:16:48 GMT
Luckily it's a TDA1540 design, so you can disable the oversampling and still get great sound. Preferable, for some people. You cannot disable the oversampling, for obvious reasons, in the early CD-100 series with 14-bit DACs. EDIT: oops, checking my facts it's the 1541 that was 16-bit. The 1540 was a 14-bit DAC. So disabling oversampling loses you 2 bits of resolution  |
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Post by pre65 on Dec 26, 2016 17:36:31 GMT
I have a TDA1541 DAC that can be run with, or without oversampling.
I did have a very slight preference for non oversampling, but when the Cambridge CXC arrives I will try both ways again.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2016 19:05:09 GMT
Luckily it's a TDA1540 design, so you can disable the oversampling and still get great sound. Preferable, for some people. You cannot disable the oversampling, for obvious reasons, in the early CD-100 series with 14-bit DACs. EDIT: oops, checking my facts it's the 1541 that was 16-bit. The 1540 was a 14-bit DAC. So disabling oversampling loses you 2 bits of resolution 104 uses 1540 as you mention, they are basically Mono 1541.. Its loosing the 2 Bit that made the sound i prefered. 1541 are a great DAC chip but if they aint implemented correctly they are nothing special. |
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Post by shuggie on Jan 1, 2017 19:26:49 GMT
I think jitter is still important. Don't leave all the work to the DAC - feed it a more clock stable signal from the transport and it'll sound better. This reflects my own experience. A couple of months ago I bought a Mutec MC3+USB to use as a high quality USB/SPDIF interface between PC and Naim DAC-V1 and it is clearly (and dramatically) better than the Naim's supposedly super Audiophilleo USB facility, backed up by data re-clocking within the DAC. I have been informed by forum experts that any improvement is impossible - since the DAC-V1 re-clocks, no amount of data manipulation upstream will have any effect. My ears tell me otherwise. A recent revelation has been the realisation that plain old CD, delivered by my old Rega Planet CD player (fitted with a new Tent Labs clock by Chevron Audio) used as a transport to the DAC-V1, can be musically much more rewarding than hearing the same albums played from the PC over USB. The really interesting thing here is that the Mutec will accept an SPDIF input and re-clock it very precisely using its internal super-accurate clock circuitry, so I have been feeding digits from the Planet via the Mutec to the DAC-V1. There is a clearly audible, and signifcant improvement in all aspects of sound quality and in musical flow, when the Mutec is placed between the Planet and the DAC-V1. So, as Martin states above, a DAC does seem to sound better when fed a very high quality and stable signal, even when it does its own re-clocking. |
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Post by MartinT on Oct 6, 2019 0:03:26 GMT
There is a clearly audible, and signifcant improvement in all aspects of sound quality and in musical flow, when the Mutec is placed between the Planet and the DAC-V1. So, as Martin states above, a DAC does seem to sound better when fed a very high quality and stable signal, even when it does its own re-clocking. I wish I had fully taken this in at the time, Hugo. I have a Mutec MC-3+ USB on loan and it's an amazing piece of kit. I'm listening to all sorts of music and streams and will try some actual CDs later, too. Even though I said digits are not just digits, timing and clocking are everything, it still amazes me to have that lesson rammed home time and time again. |
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Post by John on Oct 6, 2019 5:34:43 GMT
I heard this unit just over a month ago it sounded fantastic and certainly worth trying out
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However i did have a SL-P1000', I personally thought the '1000' was the best player they ever made at the time.. Re clocking never made a blind bit of notice to my ears.
