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Post by pre65 on Mar 5, 2016 22:14:07 GMT
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Post by MartinT on Mar 6, 2016 0:09:51 GMT
I'm not keen, for the reasons given. An out of control artic is a big, dangerous thing.
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Post by ChrisB on Mar 6, 2016 0:20:25 GMT
When manned lorries begin to be driven properly, I might be sympathetic to the idea but until then, it's just wrong.
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Post by Stratmangler on Mar 6, 2016 1:49:34 GMT
In recent years my experiences of humans being being behind the wheel have not been fantastic.
February 2009 - Car written off by A N Other driver - my car was shunted at speed - my injuries included a broken neck.
November 2014 - Car written off by A N Other driver - my car was again shunted, this time by a heavier vehicle - I got away with the usual seatbelt pull injuries this time.
February 2016 - Car written of by A N Other driver - I was sat on the sofa at home this time, laptop on my knee and a cuppa tea in my hand (that's right, the car was parked outside the house). My current chariot is a hire vehicle.
I suspect that autonomous machines would make a far better job of driving. They wouldn't suffer from distractions such as mobile phones/texts/being late for work etc, and they wouldn't ever get tired and lose concentration, or lose their temper and try to punish other drivers for inattentive driving.
I think that we have all witnessed HGVs drifting onto the hard shoulder because the driver is tired and in danger of nodding off, or they're pissing about with something or other in the cab and not paying proper attention to what's in front of them.
Some poor sods lose their lives every year through no fault of their own because of this.
There are plenty of innocent victims of poorly driven HGVs that have been laid to rest as a result.
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Post by Stratmangler on Mar 6, 2016 2:05:43 GMT
To add to my personal list of being in a vehicle hit from behind, I have been a passenger, and twice the vehicle has been rear ended, once in heavy traffic, and once slowing down on the motorway.
Humans are shit at driving, so why worry about machines taking the strain? They can't do a worse job than humans.
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Post by Chris on Mar 6, 2016 5:44:54 GMT
I've had a couple of sore ones in motors but I'm not convinced about this driverless thing be it cars or lorries. If it was ALL machines maybe,but a mix of human ineptitude(as listed by Stratmangler) and machine efficiency is never going to work.
I'm also not keen on these vehicles being able to kill you - if a car comes straight at you in a collision situation how can a machine deal with that? It's got to make a choice and that,probably,won't be in your best interest.
So it's a no for me.
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Post by zippy on Mar 6, 2016 9:40:45 GMT
I've had a couple of sore ones in motors but I'm not convinced about this driverless thing be it cars or lorries. If it was ALL machines maybe,but a mix of human ineptitude(as listed by Stratmangler) and machine efficiency is never going to work. I'm also not keen on these vehicles being able to kill you - if a car comes straight at you in a collision situation how can a machine deal with that? It's got to make a choice and that,probably,won't be in your best interest. So it's a no for me. I would expect and trust a driverless vehicle to respond to any situation much quicker than a human, and to make the 'correct' (i.e. pre-programmed) decision all the time, EXCEPTHaving in the past been heavily involved in testing computer systems, I'm sure there are circumstance that won't have been programmed into the driverless system because they weren't thought of, or that somehow missed appropriate testing. I've never come across a 100% perfect computer system. Even if the default is 'pull off the road and stop immediately' or something like that, in some cases that won't be the right thing to do. Only a human can respond appropriately to an unplanned situation. On balance though I'd guess a driverless car would be at least as good as most human controlled vehicles. |
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Post by MikeMusic on Mar 6, 2016 10:31:51 GMT
I think it will come sooner or later.
In the meantime I'll keep well away from the testing
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Post by speedysteve on Mar 7, 2016 19:08:59 GMT
It's a tough one but once proven and death rates drop it will be a no brainer.
Whether you are killed by a human or a machine you are still dead. If you are x times less likely to be killed it would be an incentive not to drive old school for some.
Moving on too xcars...
There are so many questionable ability drivers out there.
The need to regulate and test / retest properly has been spectacularly missed by successive administrations.
The need for ever more powerful
Engines, wider, grippier, noisier tyres, the macho need for speed on a shared and ever busier transport resource is at risk of being eradicated. The human induced random queues on busy roads would be a thing of the past too:)
Being forced to give up driving too fast will be tough for many...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2016 17:19:06 GMT
Latest cars have sensors that apply brakes if too close to another vehicle. This could be made compulsory and would save Stratmangler further write off's. I am worried of the consequences of a software failure in driverless vehicles but safety features that override bad driving are welcome. Most drivers are reasonably safe but there are a bunch of idiots who have no business behind the wheel some of which drive lorries. A lot are foreign drivers. Also need to clamp down on mobile phones and introduce legislation to control use of tablet computers in vehicles.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2016 18:54:22 GMT
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Post by MartinT on Mar 16, 2016 8:42:29 GMT
Most drivers are reasonably safe but there are a bunch of idiots who have no business behind the wheel some of which drive lorries. Agreed, the more I see foreign plates on lorries the more I see examples of very bad driving. Popular among them is to indicate and pull out at the same time, regardless of what's actually there. Also need to clamp down on mobile phones and introduce legislation to control use of tablet computers in vehicles. So that's all Teslas off the road, then! |
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Post by pre65 on Mar 16, 2016 8:51:54 GMT
Is there anyone here who can honestly say they have NEVER had a lapse in concentration when driving (however caused) that could have caused an accident ?
I remember an incredibly near miss years ago that brought me out into an instant cold sweat, not a nice feeling. 
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Post by MartinT on Mar 16, 2016 10:09:26 GMT
Is there anyone here who can honestly say they have NEVER had a lapse in concentration when driving (however caused) that could have caused an accident ?
Not me, but thankfully very rare. Not a nice feeling, I agree. I try not to allow distractions if I can help it and drive better without passengers. |
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Post by ChrisB on Mar 16, 2016 13:36:25 GMT
Ah yes, the old 'I am indicating, therefore I have right of way' manouvre - very popular with our friends in the haulage industry.
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Post by pre65 on Mar 17, 2016 8:55:40 GMT
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Post by Stratmangler on Mar 17, 2016 10:02:42 GMT
Is there anyone here who can honestly say they have NEVER had a lapse in concentration when driving (however caused) that could have caused an accident ?
I remember an incredibly near miss years ago that brought me out into an instant cold sweat, not a nice feeling. My driving is not perfect, but I do have extremely good observation and anticipation skills developed over many years of high mileage driving, and sharpened by the being on the receiving end of A N Other's inattentiveness. I don't rush around or race up to the back of queueing vehicles or traffic lights, and if I'm late for something I'm late, so I phone ahead to let people at the other end know and apologise if necessary. |
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Post by ChrisB on Jul 1, 2016 5:51:57 GMT
Humans are shit at driving, so why worry about machines taking the strain? They can't do a worse job than humans. I read about the case of a Tesla car that killed its driver because it changed lanes while it was alongside an artic. Apparently, it couldn't tell the difference between a socking great white trailer unit and a bright sky. More work required, I think. News story: www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-36680043 |
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Post by MartinT on Jul 1, 2016 6:05:39 GMT
The first Tesla accident was on the news this morning. It was on automatic sensor control but didn't 'see' a truck in the bright light.
Be afraid, be very afraid.
EDIT: oh, snap!
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Post by jandl100 on Jul 1, 2016 6:07:14 GMT
I don't recall any info or views on hacking of these systems.
The driving software must be in contact with the internet so surely some bright loony/terrorist will come up with a pile-up hack, or a deliberate crash into pedestrian crowds hack?
Not that I know anything about it - but it seems an obvious thing to me.
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