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Post by Guest on Oct 9, 2015 17:39:44 GMT
Gosh, that's an interesting viewpoint. I sense a bit of irony there? When audio magazines first came out, this was the consensus of opinion. I suspect speakers manufacturers riled against it from that moment onward, but if you think about the simple physics of the thing, it is unrefutable. If your needle does not read the grooves as it should, how is an amp or speakers ever going to get that information back, the obvious answer is; it cannot.
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Post by Guest on Oct 9, 2015 17:46:40 GMT
And quite an old one.
Ivor Tiefenbrun from Linn was stating that when I were a lad. There is merit in what he says.
There is some truth and logic in what IT said. However, what he did not say is that speakers are so unimportant that anything will do. Nor did he say that any speaker can sound great. Our friend guest is stretching the logic somewhat beyond its point of elasticity, I would venture! Well, that is your point of view and I would not dismiss it, you are a fellow Standarsi and entitled to believe what you wish. All I say in my defence is that with £1800 worth of signal going through the Victors they sounded better than many friends speakers who are feeding them with a mini system. Some of them have big speakers too, but the Victors had more punch clarity and even yes [dare I say it] bass!!! If I am fooling myself it doesn't matter does it. If I 'think' it sounds better, then in Guestiverse; it does!!!!!
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Post by Guest on Oct 9, 2015 17:49:03 GMT
Oh, by the way, I hooked up the monitors shown today too. They cost me £6 off eggbay, fed them with the same £1800 front end, they sounded terrific!
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Post by Guest on Oct 9, 2015 17:51:58 GMT
p.s. I once went to a show where a pair of dentons were being fed by a Class CD player, and amped by Krell power amps. The sound was one that any on here would have salivated over, I never heard Dire Straits sound better, nor ever again.
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Post by ChrisB on Oct 9, 2015 17:52:59 GMT
As Martin says, the garbage in, garbage out theory is sound and I wholeheartedly agree with him and you in that. But.
It does not follow that any speaker will do job as well as any other. Yes, a poor speaker will perform better if you feed it an exemplary signal but that's not the same as your statement.
And I'm sorry, but this is a little simplistic to say the least.. Have you noticed that speakers are the component type that vary the most in terms of how they present the sound - regardless of the source and amplifier being used?
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Post by ChrisB on Oct 9, 2015 17:54:25 GMT
Yes, absolutely, and long may it be that way!
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Post by John on Oct 9, 2015 18:00:57 GMT
But if you apply the same logic to it extreme: Great quality front end to crap speakers you get good sound? Clearly this is not the case I also suggest speakers and room acoustics have a big impact in your system My own set up costs for my digital front end is 1) Speakers 2) Amplification 3) Accessories (cables support etc) 4) Digital Front end ( I consider my digital front end very good)
If I was to include my TT It would be Front end first I know I am going to be extreme example to most people but just trying to show there are other approaches than pure flat earth
PS My System does Prat pretty well
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Post by Guest on Oct 9, 2015 19:00:14 GMT
But if you apply the same logic to it extreme: Great quality front end to crap speakers you get good sound? Clearly this is not the case I also suggest speakers and room acoustics have a big impact in your system My own set up costs for my digital front end is 1) Speakers 2) Amplification 3) Accessories (cables support etc) 4) Digital Front end ( I consider my digital front end very good) If I was to include my TT It would be Front end first I know I am going to be extreme example to most people but just trying to show there are other approaches than pure flat earth PS My System does Prat pretty well You are not 'wrong' John. You just disagree, that is because you don't live in Guestiverse. Just for kicks I once hooked up an old elliptical speaker out of a TV. No box, just wires into a nude elliptical speaker. With a superb front end and a big amp, it sounded pretty good. I think maybe you are a bit in the 'speaker camp'. Here is something to think about, headphone speakers are never very big and they never have cabinets, but feed them with 5 grands worth of source and they sound fantastic!!!! Here's another one, the room I listen to this gear in is totally lined with foam tiles, it is a dead room, so I'm not asking much of speakers am I? Oh and don't go sticking cardboard egg boxes on your living room wall, it annoys the missus
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Post by Guest on Oct 9, 2015 19:02:30 GMT
Yes, absolutely, and long may it be that way! Ha ha ha ha Guestiverse is a happy place.
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Post by John on Oct 9, 2015 19:17:59 GMT
At the end of the day as long as you happy with your sound then that pretty cool. We all different
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Post by pre65 on Oct 10, 2015 10:23:04 GMT
I wish I had the talent to evaluate hi-fi without ever listening to the item in question.
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Post by ChrisB on Oct 10, 2015 10:29:50 GMT
I don't think anyone has done that here, have they? We were discussing principles rather than individual pieces of gear.
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Post by Guest on Oct 14, 2015 19:25:41 GMT
I don't think anyone has done that here, have they? We were discussing principles rather than individual pieces of gear. No ChrisB, they haven't.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2015 23:32:45 GMT
A chain is only as strong as its weakest link
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Post by MartinT on Oct 15, 2015 10:09:00 GMT
Point, Jez. I prefer the 'weakest link' philosophy over the 'source first' one for that very reason.
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Post by ynwan on Oct 15, 2015 10:39:30 GMT
I can see a tweeter - there doesn't appear to be any additional super-tweeter.
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Post by ChrisB on Oct 15, 2015 13:52:43 GMT
Arf! I reckon that would be the use of super in the adjective in this case.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2015 18:33:48 GMT
I hate to say this of a company I worked for and whose pro video gear I still use, but JVC HiFi got pretty ropey in the later years, and to be honest £10.00 for a pair of these 2nd hand is probably what they are worth, and yes I've both heard them and know members of the team that designed and sold them.
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Post by ynwan on Oct 17, 2015 8:22:48 GMT
Arf! I reckon that would be the use of super in the adjective in this case. Ah, I see, the tweeter is super, terrific, great - sort of thing - perhaps for £10 it is.
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Post by MartinT on Oct 17, 2015 10:09:52 GMT
I hate to say this of a company I worked for and whose pro video gear I still use, but JVC HiFi got pretty ropey in the later years I joined NEC in 1985. At that time, they had a hi-fi division, a TV division, and my department (Peripherals) had leading printers, monitors, video projectors, CD-ROMs and other bits. Brands such as MultiSync, MultiSpin, Spinwriter, Pinwriter, Silentwriter, SuperScript etc. We supplied Reuters with all their news screens. My wife-to-be handled PCs with such accounts as Shell. Disk drives were big business. We launched the world's first GDI Windows printer. Oh, and NEC were the #1 brand for analogue and car phones. My colleague Charles Dunston left NEC to start Carphone Warehouse. I lusted after the top of the range two-box CD player. ALL of that has gone.
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